From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.2 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,NICE_REPLY_A autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 22267 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2022 01:19:38 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 12 Jan 2022 01:19:38 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id ED8C79D005; Wed, 12 Jan 2022 11:19:34 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8A639CFC9; Wed, 12 Jan 2022 11:19:11 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=mhorton-net.20210112.gappssmtp.com header.i=@mhorton-net.20210112.gappssmtp.com header.b="Zm4L6jlM"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 16AD19CFC9; Wed, 12 Jan 2022 11:19:08 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-pj1-f45.google.com (mail-pj1-f45.google.com [209.85.216.45]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 781719C78F for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2022 11:19:07 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-pj1-f45.google.com with SMTP id c14-20020a17090a674e00b001b31e16749cso8652369pjm.4 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2022 17:19:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mhorton-net.20210112.gappssmtp.com; s=20210112; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:content-language; bh=LXAVCXmAO2fCz4uXg8LzrHiu/nORTAUUhiHWH+KbyKQ=; b=Zm4L6jlMuSds8wfaj7QTp11eLCjeqcTYP0LiQqzF5C4JUXEe3ykvFEEjH4Lga61A6a GMHfln6XCPya7tj5NN/fjGRgvRx70GB7MqPi5SjsuxB2M3l/C23/FrvmFLQtmXXemhXF FpqpIN6CqmPSZGB5RagTpgtmLAEMXny3Lkz2U9eIlKmKKGG9kM1798Ly5lbNmoCPeeft PLZpQn0eKfqX162Fpgm040Bo6p+8AZ/4l7R3vz98Ae73R3r6gREGXx70okPfVxZfOAJX GFUJec9Hmt+TiB9RDOOkrmuKqjsn2rtKkRE3dpkzWPRvbnMulWJdetTd7V9hwdFNXNoa /cow== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding :content-language; bh=LXAVCXmAO2fCz4uXg8LzrHiu/nORTAUUhiHWH+KbyKQ=; b=KMnCcr1mIMpj3uYU/zE8gNuvjLFTq4NgxOXlRda4qiUoocUyzs9mp001ShCwRSjihU 2ZqtASxD7jVXXVPWEnHYUVrA5y6k8MlK+vxSPQbbc0mC7IoGbPdqNmLrfwtkqXT9pe3y IvdJCBqiJF9ds2iOYrqJbHr/O+naDqOHxhJ+S0amk360iktLDjpkTrxHgFDmp7drOl+8 LxqBZk4GafsQQMgPEHchZmxW1Yt+nIf7ulWY7W0XkFQCV5fgonuCKXPZdXBxRozmlubs 8zRRpaXFbAfbsFAgU93QMh8nNGNwBwGzvQ5Qru7DuFKlHl2KNurB520IhOU66DOfX0BL bzaA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5325cmZ9NHZvCGOoTZr2/wF17uNF+kQ+93zTPNNs88aQIWlp4Gbp DwK0ZOLwVzpOWLvVC/QzaIJ00K4IiEBDww== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwg3IqvKxYuYAEBh1bM+GiNrC8cXZ0qXjtm/HusW2SVf9fJ0p7sNKOB4dOI1sRt+E0J82II/A== X-Received: by 2002:a17:903:2308:b0:149:48e4:f026 with SMTP id d8-20020a170903230800b0014948e4f026mr7344543plh.48.1641950346784; Tue, 11 Jan 2022 17:19:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?IPv6:2600:8801:f004:f0f0::46d? ([2600:8801:f004:f0f0::46d]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id u126sm503800pgc.22.2022.01.11.17.19.05 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 11 Jan 2022 17:19:06 -0800 (PST) To: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org References: <20211231234039.GU31637@mcvoy.com> <20220101005605.GL75481@eureka.lemis.com> <20220101031511.GB8135@mcvoy.com> <20220110203300.GY3441@mcvoy.com> From: Mary Ann Horton Message-ID: <695e2970-00f2-ab55-8c1a-9fbd03add77f@mhorton.net> Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2022 17:19:04 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20220110203300.GY3441@mcvoy.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [TUHS] TeX and groff (was: roff(7)) X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" I recall attending a TeX lecture by Knuth around 1981. He said he wasn't satisfied with the character layout from other formatting programs, which drove him to write TeX. He illustrated in great detail the kerning and exact placement of the font characters next to each other. I couldn't tell the difference, but clearly it was very important to him. He wanted his documents to look perfect. On 1/10/22 12:33 PM, Larry McVoy wrote: > On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 01:00:15PM -0600, Blake McBride wrote: >> 2. Looking at the output, it is my opinion that TeX produces >> better-looking documents. > It's a double edged sword. TeX looks better but you instantly know it is > TeX, it has a particular look. Troff looks just fine to me, and you don't > know it is Troff, Word, or what.