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[173.48.168.163]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id w30-v6sm3121500qtc.51.2018.08.29.18.14.23 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 29 Aug 2018 18:14:23 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: Clem cole X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (15G77) In-Reply-To: <20180829233605.GJ8423@mcvoy.com> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2018 21:14:22 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <69AFD606-5E1D-4060-95A5-22F33B2322B2@ccc.com> References: <20180829233605.GJ8423@mcvoy.com> To: Larry McVoy Subject: Re: [TUHS] cat -v and other complaints X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" Truth is I think IBM beat Sun on getting loadable modules for the kernel out= first. But I was counting the versions that people really looked at which i= s why I give Linux credit. =20 It makes sense they modeled on SunOS btw but the fact is the Linux version i= s what folks like *BSD and macOS modeled after later. =20 Btw you are 100% right - As for launchd I agree/no doubt - but I=E2=80=99d a= lready given up on MacOS being able to be admin=E2=80=99ed like a Unix box. = I can pretty much use it via iterm2 as a user like one and if mostly works a= s I expect (which I do appreciate). =20 Linux is seductive enough to make think I should be able to admin it like I h= ave for the last 40 years and it then bites me when I least expect it. =20 Sent from my PDP-7 Running UNIX V0 expect things to be almost but not quite.= =20 > On Aug 29, 2018, at 7:36 PM, Larry McVoy wrote: >=20 >> On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 08:34:05AM +1000, Dave Horsfall wrote: >>> On Wed, 29 Aug 2018, Clem Cole wrote: >>> That said, I give the Linux folks great credit for the addition of modul= es >>> was huge and it took BSD and the other UNIX systems a few years really >>> pick up that idea in the same way (yes Solaris, Tru64 and eventually HPU= X >>> etc.. had something too but again - my comment about being generally >>> available applies). >>=20 >> Wasn't SunOS first with dynamic kernel modules, or is my memory worse tha= n I >> thought? Linux may have been around at the time, but we never used in th= e >> shop until much later (Red Hat, nicknamed Dead Rat). >=20 > Yep. And Linux has loadable modules because I posted the SunOS 4.x man > pages for the SunOS loadable modules to the kernel list. Proving once > again that the open source guys aren't always the greatest at coming up > with the ideas but once you show them that it can be done, it gets done > quickly. I think they had a prototype working in a week. >=20 >> Never mind "systemd"; I'm having enough trouble coming to grips with >> "launchd" on the Mac... Gimme /etc/inetd.conf any time. >=20 > Amen, brother.