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From: sjenkin@canb.auug.org.au
To: TUHS <tuhs@tuhs.org>
Cc: John Levine <johnl@taugh.com>
Subject: [TUHS] Re: mental architecture models, Anyone ever heard of teaching a case study of Initial Unix?
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2024 22:52:25 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <6DEE0364-13BF-4DDF-8B42-8EE9DE010211@canb.auug.org.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20240705231714.5F0E58EE123E@ary.qy>

C wasn’t the first standardised coding language, FORTRAN & COBOL at least were before it,
so there were multi-platform source libraries and shared source, though often single platform.

From what I know, vendor extensions of FORTAN, optimised for their hardware, were common,
making high-performance, portable source difficult or impossible. 6-bit and 8-bit chars were the least of it.

Is this right:

	C was the first ’systems tool’ language + libraries available across many platforms.
	Notionally, source code could be ported with zero or minimal change.
	It made possible portable languages like PERL, PHP, Python.

	[ then came the "Tower of Babel" requiring tools like ‘autoconf’ ]

C became a bootstrapping environment for other portable languages & tools, e.g. C++ & Golang.

Secondly, portable systems tool languages with a common 2-part design
of parser/front-end providing an abstract syntax tree 
to multiple back-ends with platform specific code-generators.

Are these back-ends where most of the assembler, memory model and instruction optimisation take place now?


> On 6 Jul 2024, at 09:17, John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote:
> 
> Back in the day getting a program to act the same on different
> computers, was really hard, with the switch from IBM 7090 (36 bit word
> addressed binary floating point) to IBM 360 (32 or 64 bit byte
> addressed hex floating point) the most famous example. These days we
> write code and compile it for x64 or ARM or RISC-V and for the most
> part, it just works because the data formats and addressing are all
> the same.


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  reply	other threads:[~2024-07-06 12:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 95+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-07-03  4:51 [TUHS] " sjenkin
2024-07-03  5:02 ` [TUHS] " Al Kossow
2024-07-03  6:46   ` arnold
2024-07-03 14:04   ` Clem Cole
2024-07-03 15:22     ` Theodore Ts'o
2024-07-03 15:36       ` Larry McVoy
2024-07-03 14:59   ` Marc Rochkind
2024-07-03 23:35     ` G. Branden Robinson
2024-07-04 13:00       ` Marc Donner
2024-07-03  9:04 ` A. P. Garcia
2024-07-03 15:17 ` Vincenzo Nicosia
2024-07-03 15:35   ` Marc Donner
2024-07-03 17:39     ` Jon Forrest
2024-07-03 17:49       ` segaloco via TUHS
2024-07-03 18:16         ` Erik E. Fair
2024-07-03 19:58         ` Rich Salz
2024-07-03 23:15     ` Dave Horsfall
2024-07-03 23:23       ` Marc Donner
2024-07-03 23:26       ` Rik Farrow
2024-07-04 23:26         ` Dave Horsfall
2024-07-03 15:37   ` Al Kossow
2024-07-03 16:01     ` Al Kossow
2024-07-03 16:05       ` Warner Losh
2024-07-03 23:29   ` Marc Rochkind
2024-07-03 23:50     ` G. Branden Robinson
2024-07-04  8:23     ` Vincenzo Nicosia
2024-07-04 20:34       ` Nevin Liber
2024-07-04 20:44         ` segaloco via TUHS
2024-07-04 21:41           ` sjenkin
     [not found]             ` <7AC009E5-C985-44AD-A55E-E0BFC05CDD31@serissa.com>
2024-07-05  9:41               ` Steve Jenkin
2024-07-05  9:47               ` Steve Jenkin
2024-07-05  0:03         ` Stuff Received
2024-07-05  0:12           ` Larry McVoy
2024-07-05  2:24             ` Adam Thornton
2024-07-05  2:42               ` Bakul Shah via TUHS
2024-07-05  7:13                 ` arnold
2024-07-05  7:42                   ` Bakul Shah via TUHS
2024-07-05  8:20                     ` arnold
2024-07-05  8:52                       ` G. Branden Robinson
2024-07-05  7:36               ` Dave Horsfall
2024-07-05 10:18                 ` Peter Yardley
2024-07-05 21:38                   ` [TUHS] Re: mental architecture models, " John Levine
2024-07-05 21:49                     ` Larry McVoy
2024-07-05 22:08                       ` Charles H Sauer (he/him)
2024-07-05 22:24                         ` Larry McVoy
2024-07-05 23:17                       ` John Levine
2024-07-06 12:52                         ` sjenkin [this message]
2024-07-06 14:02                           ` John R Levine
2024-07-06 15:58                           ` Clem Cole
2024-07-06 20:56                             ` John R Levine
2024-07-06 21:32                               ` Charles H Sauer (he/him)
2024-07-06 23:46                                 ` Peter Yardley
2024-07-07 17:43                                   ` James Frew
2024-07-07  1:39                                 ` John Levine
2024-07-07  3:26                                   ` [TUHS] Re: PL.8 [was " Charles H Sauer (he/him)
2024-07-08 21:39                                 ` [TUHS] " Aron Insinga
2024-07-08 22:14                                   ` Paul Winalski
2024-07-09  1:04                                     ` Aron Insinga
2024-07-08 22:17                                   ` Rik Farrow
2024-07-09  0:08                                     ` Adam Thornton
2024-07-09  2:40                                       ` Dave Horsfall
2024-07-09  2:43                                         ` Warner Losh
2024-07-09  4:23                                         ` Adam Thornton
2024-07-09  5:06                                         ` Aron Insinga
2024-07-07  5:33                         ` arnold
2024-07-05 22:10                     ` Dan Cross
2024-07-07 22:00                   ` [TUHS] " Dave Horsfall
2024-07-07 23:28                     ` Brad Spencer
2024-07-08  6:17                       ` Dave Horsfall
2024-07-08  6:27                       ` Lars Brinkhoff
2024-07-08  6:51                         ` Dave Horsfall
2024-07-08  9:36                           ` David Arnold
2024-07-08  6:59                       ` arnold
2024-07-08 13:22                         ` Larry McVoy
2024-07-08 15:37                           ` Al Kossow
2024-07-08 17:22                             ` Tom Lyon
2024-07-08 17:04                           ` Clem Cole
2024-07-08 15:28                         ` Brad Spencer
2024-07-08 15:33                           ` Al Kossow
2024-07-09 22:54                         ` Dave Horsfall
2024-07-10 13:18                           ` Chet Ramey via TUHS
2024-07-10 14:29                             ` John Levine
2024-07-08  0:21                     ` John Levine
2024-07-08  0:35                       ` Dave Horsfall
2024-07-08 12:29                     ` Peter Yardley
2024-07-05 16:40                 ` Jon Steinhart
2024-07-06 13:20                   ` Dave Horsfall
2024-07-05  0:08       ` Marc Rochkind
2024-07-04  1:53 ` John Levine
2024-07-04  2:59   ` segaloco via TUHS
2024-07-04  6:53     ` Rob Pike
2024-07-04 15:07       ` Larry McVoy
2024-07-07 13:57 [TUHS] Re: mental architecture models, " Noel Chiappa
2024-07-07 16:43 ` John Levine
2024-07-10  2:20 Douglas McIlroy

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