Warren, Good news so far. I did some work on VTserver 2.0, and added the uODT code so it uploads the PDP-11 boot code to the machine and gets it going. That works fine.. "copy" gets loaded, and I can transfer stuff from and to the machine's RX50 and RD51 units. My biggest worry next, of course, is using an emulator to emulate my machine (which is a MicroPDP-11/23, by the way) and its disks, and build a working set of file systems. Those I can then transfer to the raw disk. When playing, I noticed that the RD51 is a plain Seagate ST412 MFM drive... did anyone try to use other MFM disks with the RQDX series controllers? I can probably get some very cheap ST251 40MB drives.. ;) --fred > -----Original Message----- > From: Warren Toomey [mailto:wkt at henry.cs.adfa.edu.au] > Sent: dinsdag 13 februari 2001 2:22 > To: Fred N. van Kempen > Subject: Re: Unix Archive mirror site offer > > > In article by Fred N. van Kempen: > > Here's a promise... if I can get my MicroVAX 3400 back up > (on Ultrix 4.4), > > I'll run the archive on that box... (pups.microwalt.net or > > tuhs.microwalt.net) > > so all the old stuff is hosted on old stuff... otherwise > it's going to be a > > Sun SPARCstation Classic- also an old box, but not quite as old :) > > Excellent. I believe Caldera have bought the rights to UNIX > from SCO, and > I"ve heard rumours that they might drop the ``click on the > license'' thing, > so if that happens we can make the archive available with no > passwords. > > > Also: I am working with Bill Grunshannon and Steven Schultz > on getting my > > own > > MicroPDP-11/23 back up... we need to include your VTserver > stuff into the > > Ultrix-11 source tree, recompile parts, move into binary > tree, and create a > > new tape which I can then load. Bill has a working 11/73 > with Ultrix-11 on > > it, > > and also has an 11/93 with same. > > > > My new VTserver can load in and write entire disk images now, > so it should > be usable to install an Ultrix disk image. > > http://minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au/Vtserver. > > I'll be back at work tomorrow or the nxet day. > > Cheers, > Warren > ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ********************************************************************** Received: (from major at localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA58787 for pups-liszt; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 19:14:03 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: from mud.stack.nl (mud.stack.nl [131.155.141.98]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA58783 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 19:13:59 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from martijnb at stack.nl) Received: by mud.stack.nl (Postfix, from userid 587) id 3C30C7F07; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 09:11:02 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 09:11:02 +0100 From: Martijn van Buul To: pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Subject: Re: [pups] RE: Unix Archive mirror site offer Message-ID: <20010216091102.A26535 at mud.stack.nl> Reply-To: Martijn van Buul References: <6F63E31101C6D41196490008C7B2BFC32C31 at MWNT4> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.3i In-Reply-To: <6F63E31101C6D41196490008C7B2BFC32C31 at MWNT4>; from Fred.van.Kempen at microwalt.nl on Thu, Feb 15, 2001 at 04:01:45AM +0100 Sender: owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk Fred N. van Kempen wrote: > When playing, I noticed that the RD51 is a plain Seagate ST412 MFM drive... > did anyone try to use other MFM disks with the RQDX series controllers? I > can probably get some very cheap ST251 40MB drives.. ;) I've done exactly the same thing (but it only was an ST225, AKA RD31) on an RQDX3 controller. You need the XXDP 2.5 diagnostic kit for that. Having a couple of 5.25" HD diskdrives really helps. Some of these drives (the older, the better ;) can be used as RX33 drive, which greatly reduces the problem of creating a XXDP bootdisk with the needed utilities, since you can write these disks in a (second :) 5.25" drive on a standard PC. Finding a supply of 1.2 MB 5.25" disks can be a bigger problem - I'm very happy with my newly found pack of *fresh* disks. I may still have such a diskimage floating around somewhere (Yup, I seem to have). The basic idea is to low-level format the MFM drive, and make it look like a genuine DEC drive. This is a lot easier if the drives you want to use were also sold as DEC drives (which is the case with the ST251 - it's also known as the RD32). If not, you'll have to provide a lot more information about the drive - never really tried that. This said, I sucessfully low-levelled a 21MB Miniscribe (with the same CHS-layout as a ST225) using the RD31 parameters. -- Martijn van Buul - Pino at dohd.org - http://www.stack.nl/~martijnb/ Geek code: G-- - Visit OuterSpace: mud.stack.nl 3333 Kees J. Bot: The sum of CPU power and user brain power is a constant. Received: (from major at localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA59199 for pups-liszt; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 20:18:56 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: from sun.rhrk.uni-kl.de (sun.rhrk.uni-kl.de [131.246.137.50]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA59195 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 20:18:51 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from jkunz at unixag-kl.fh-kl.de) From: jkunz@unixag-kl.fh-kl.de Received: from aixs1.rhrk.uni-kl.de ( exim at aixs1.rhrk.uni-kl.de [131.246.137.3] ) by sun.rhrk.uni-kl.de id aa23090 ; 16 Feb 2001 10:15 MET Received: from forelle32.wohnheim.uni-kl.de ([131.246.141.32] helo=unixag-kl.fh-kl.de) by aixs1.rhrk.uni-kl.de with esmtp (Exim 3.03 #2) id 14TgzY-000IZY-00; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 10:15:52 +0100 Received: from unixag-kl.fh-kl.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by unixag-kl.fh-kl.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA11956; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 10:15:21 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <200102160915.KAA11956 at unixag-kl.fh-kl.de> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 10:15:20 +0100 (CET) Subject: Re: [pups] RE: Unix Archive mirror site offer To: pino at dohd.org cc: pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au In-Reply-To: <20010216091102.A26535 at mud.stack.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk On 16 Feb, Martijn van Buul wrote: [third party disks on RQDX} > I've done exactly the same thing (but it only was an ST225, AKA RD31) on > an RQDX3 controller. You need the XXDP 2.5 diagnostic kit for that. Could this be placed in the archive? It would be nice to have this public available. > Having a couple of 5.25" HD diskdrives really helps. Some of these > drives (the older, the better ;) can be used as RX33 drive I connected a generic Mitzumi 5.25" FDD to the RQDX3 in my MicroVAX III and it just worked. Even booting from it was no problem. -- tschüß, Jochen Homepage: http://www.unixag-kl.fh-kl.de/~jkunz/ Received: (from major at localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA59734 for pups-liszt; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 22:15:08 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: from sun.rhrk.uni-kl.de (sun.rhrk.uni-kl.de [131.246.137.50]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA59730 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 22:15:04 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from jkunz at unixag-kl.fh-kl.de) From: jkunz@unixag-kl.fh-kl.de Received: from aixs1.rhrk.uni-kl.de ( exim at aixs1.rhrk.uni-kl.de [131.246.137.3] ) by sun.rhrk.uni-kl.de id aa07968 for ; 16 Feb 2001 12:12 MET Received: from forelle32.wohnheim.uni-kl.de ([131.246.141.32] helo=unixag-kl.fh-kl.de) by aixs1.rhrk.uni-kl.de with esmtp (Exim 3.03 #2) id 14Tio1-0004qE-00 for pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 12:12:05 +0100 Received: from unixag-kl.fh-kl.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by unixag-kl.fh-kl.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA12144 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 12:11:34 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <200102161111.MAA12144 at unixag-kl.fh-kl.de> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 12:11:33 +0100 (CET) Subject: [pups] What is a 21-21858 chip? To: pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk Hi. I have two PDP11/73 CPUs (M8192). On one module is the 40 pin socket empty. On the other module is a 40 pin Chip labeld 21-21858 in the socket. What chip is that? -- tschüß, Jochen Homepage: http://www.unixag-kl.fh-kl.de/~jkunz/ Received: (from major at localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA59843 for pups-liszt; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 22:46:42 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: from igas2.postoffice.co.uk (firewall-user at igas2-2.igas.postoffice.co.uk [194.152.87.163]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA59839 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 22:46:37 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from robin.birch at postoffice.co.uk) From: robin.birch@postoffice.co.uk Received: by igas2.postoffice.co.uk; id LAA11278; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 11:43:31 GMT Received: from unknown(10.5.4.17) by igas2.postoffice.co.uk via smap (V5.0) id xma011068; Fri, 16 Feb 01 11:43:19 GMT Received: with SMTP id LAA26259; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 11:43:19 GMT Received: by postoffice.co.uk(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.6 (890.1 7-16-1999)) id 002569F5.00405D34 ; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 11:43:01 +0000 X-Lotus-FromDomain: POSTOFFICE To: jkunz at unixag-kl.fh-kl.de cc: pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Message-ID: <002569F5.00405BE2.00 at postoffice.co.uk> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 11:32:49 +0000 Subject: Re: [pups] What is a 21-21858 chip? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk FP11 floating point processor (I think) Received: (from major at localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA63969 for pups-liszt; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 04:23:50 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: from sun.rhrk.uni-kl.de (sun.rhrk.uni-kl.de [131.246.137.50]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id EAA63965 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 04:23:45 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from jkunz at unixag-kl.fh-kl.de) From: jkunz@unixag-kl.fh-kl.de Received: from aixs1.rhrk.uni-kl.de ( exim at aixs1.rhrk.uni-kl.de [131.246.137.3] ) by sun.rhrk.uni-kl.de id aa23776 ; 16 Feb 2001 18:20 MET Received: from forelle32.wohnheim.uni-kl.de ([131.246.141.32] helo=unixag-kl.fh-kl.de) by aixs1.rhrk.uni-kl.de with esmtp (Exim 3.03 #2) id 14ToYe-000Ccc-00; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 18:20:36 +0100 Received: from unixag-kl.fh-kl.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by unixag-kl.fh-kl.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA12899; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 18:20:03 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <200102161720.SAA12899 at unixag-kl.fh-kl.de> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 18:20:02 +0100 (CET) Subject: Re: [pups] What is a 21-21858 chip? To: robin.birch at postoffice.co.uk cc: pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au In-Reply-To: <002569F5.00405BE2.00 at postoffice.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk On 16 Feb, robin.birch at postoffice.co.uk wrote: > FP11 floating point processor (I think) I thought the FPU is part of the J11 chip? Or is this extra chip just faster? -- tschüß, Jochen Homepage: http://www.unixag-kl.fh-kl.de/~jkunz/