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[108.5.53.17]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id fe4-20020a05622a4d4400b004298b33cdcasm1194497qtb.50.2024.01.07.13.40.13 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 07 Jan 2024 13:40:13 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-72A399AF-D482-476B-9717-CCAC79700243 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Aaron Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2024 16:40:02 -0500 Message-Id: <6FC39B03-961D-4A6D-9E1F-D5239892D72D@gmail.com> References: <202401062316.406NFxKA000795@cuzuco.com> To: tuhs@tuhs.org X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (21B101) Message-ID-Hash: 2Z4XVS2HSETVYDFFQ5B2IYCTZGXUQYDU X-Message-ID-Hash: 2Z4XVS2HSETVYDFFQ5B2IYCTZGXUQYDU X-MailFrom: aaronscohen@gmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Fwd: Re: Fred Grampp List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --Apple-Mail-72A399AF-D482-476B-9717-CCAC79700243 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ah, Fred Grampp=E2=80=94brings back memories. For several years Fred had an office next to mine in Building 7 @ Murray Hil= l. I used to come in early to share a pot of lapsang souchong tea and listen= to Fred=E2=80=99s stories. I still retell some of them today. In 1981 Fred picked us up at Newark Airport when my wife and I returned from= vacation. He told me my Department Head was perturbed that he couldn=E2=80=99= t reach me while we were away (I hadn=E2=80=99t left a contact number). He t= hen (while driving) opened two cans of beer to toast my promotion to supervi= sor which had been announced. I was duly surprised. Begin forwarded message: > From: Brian Walden > Date: January 6, 2024 at 6:25:28=E2=80=AFPM EST > To: tuhs@tuhs.org > Subject: [TUHS] Re: Fred Grampp >=20 > =EF=BB=BFThis isn't directly UNIX related, and yes, the thread is 3 years o= ld. But since it made national news last night, probably due to its proximi= ty to Newark Airport. The enormous fire in Elizabeth, NJ, I recognized in t= he local news as the old Singer factory. That factory was the catalyst that= linked me into finding out more on Fred Grampp, and his ancestry. >=20 > Here's a non-paywalled link that also mentions it is indeed the old Singer= factory: https://newjersey.news12.com/elizabeth-nj-fire-industrial-buildin= g >=20 >=20 >> On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 11:12 AM M Douglas McIlroy wrote: >>=20 >> Serendipitous find! I hadn't realized that Fred had been the third >> generation in the hardware store. >> His father ("Pops") retired to Drayton Island in the St Johns River >> about 60 miles south of Jacksonville. >> Fred often visited him, driving the 19-hour trip in one stint. >>=20 >> Doug >>=20 >>> On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 6:47 PM Brian Walden wrote:= >>>=20 >>> Amazing coincidences. A week prior I was researching Topper Toys >>> looking for their old factory ("largest toy factory in the world") >>> As there was litte on it's location and it lead me to find out >>> in 1961 it took over the old Singer Factory in Elizabeth, NJ. >>> So looking up the Singer factory led me to "Elizabeth, >>> New Jersey, Then and Now" by Robert J. Baptista >>>=20 >>> https://ia801304.us.archive.org/11/items/ElizabethNewJerseyThenAndNowSec= ondEdition2015/ElizabethNewJerseyThenNowThirdEditionApril102018607Pages.pdf >>>=20 >>> Which had no information on Topper, but had had this paragraph in it's S= inger >>> section on page 28 -- >>>=20 >>> Boys earned money "rushing the growler" at lunchtime at the Singer pl= ant. >>> German workers lowered their covered beer pails, called growlers, on r= opes >>> to the boys waiting below. They earned a nickel by filling them with b= eer >>> at Grampp's saloon on Trumbull St. One of these boys was Thomas Dunn w= ho >>> later became a long term Mayor. In the early 1920s Frederick Grampp w= ent >>> into the hardware business at the corner of Elizabeth Ave. and Reid S= t. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> When I read it I thought funny, as I know the name Fred Grampp. But bele= ived >>> just a coincidenental same name. After reading the biography post, I wen= t back >>> to the book as it turns out that Fred Grampp is your Fred Grampps's >>> grandfather. You can find more his family and the hardware store and >>> Grampp himself on pages 163-164, and 212. >>>=20 >>> -Brian >>>=20 >>=20 --Apple-Mail-72A399AF-D482-476B-9717-CCAC79700243 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ah, Fred Grampp=E2=80=94br= ings back memories.
For several years Fred had an offi= ce next to mine in Building 7 @ Murray Hill. I used to come in early to shar= e a pot of lapsang souchong tea and listen to Fred=E2=80=99s stories. I stil= l retell some of them today.

In 1981 Fred picked us up at Newark Airport when my wife and I returned fr= om vacation. He told me my Department Head was perturbed that he couldn=E2=80= =99t reach me while we were away (I hadn=E2=80=99t left a contact number). H= e then (while driving) opened two cans of beer to toast my promotion to supe= rvisor which had been announced. I was duly surprised.

Begin forwarded message:

From: Brian Walden <tuhscuzuco.com>
Date: J= anuary 6, 2024 at 6:25:28=E2=80=AFPM EST
To: tuhs@tuhs.org
S= ubject: [TUHS] Re: Fred Grampp

=EF=BB=BFThis isn't directly UNIX r= elated, and yes, the thread is 3 years old.  But since it made national= news last night, probably due to its proximity to Newark Airport.  The= enormous fire in Elizabeth, NJ, I recognized in the local news as the old S= inger factory.  That factory was the catalyst that linked me into findi= ng out more on Fred Grampp, and his ancestry.

Here's a non-paywalled link that also mentions it is indeed the old Singe= r factory:  https://newjersey.news12.com/elizabeth-nj-fire-industrial-b= uilding


On Tue, Mar 16, 20= 21 at 11:12 AM M Douglas McIlroy <m.douglas.mcilroy at dartmouth.edu> w= rote:

Serendipitous find! I hadn't realized that Fred h= ad been the third
gen= eration in the hardware store.
His father ("Pops") retired to Drayton Island in the St Johns Rive= r
about 60 miles sout= h of Jacksonville.
Fre= d often visited him, driving the 19-hour trip in one stint.

Doug

On Mon, Mar 15, 2= 021 at 6:47 PM Brian Walden <tuhs at cuzuco.com> wrote:
Amazing coincidences. A week prior I was researching Topper Toys
looking for their old factory ("largest toy factory in the w= orld")
As there was litte on it's location and it lead me t= o find out
in 1961 it took over the old Singer Factory in E= lizabeth, NJ.
=
So looking up the Singer factory led me to "= Elizabeth,
New Jersey, Then and Now" by Robert J. Baptista=

https://ia801304.us.archive.org/11/ite= ms/ElizabethNewJerseyThenAndNowSecondEdition2015/ElizabethNewJerseyThenNowTh= irdEditionApril102018607Pages.pdf

=
Which= had no information on Topper, but had had this paragraph in it's Singer
section on page 28 --

&nb= sp;  Boys earned money "rushing the growler" at lunchtime at the S= inger plant.
<= blockquote type=3D"cite">    German workers lowered the= ir covered beer pails, called growlers, on ropes
 &n= bsp; to the boys waiting below. They earned a nickel by filling them wi= th beer
   at Grampp's saloon on Trumbull S= t. One of these boys was Thomas Dunn who
  &nbs= p;later became a long term Mayor. In the early 1920s Frederick Grampp went
   into the hardware business at the corner= of Elizabeth Ave. and Reid St.

=
When I read it I thought funny, as I know the name Fred Grampp. B= ut beleived
just a coincidenental same name. After reading= the biography post, I went back
to the book as it turns o= ut that Fred Grampp is your Fred Grampps's
grandfather. &n= bsp;You can find more his family and the hardware store and
Grampp himself on pages 163-164, and 212.

<= span>-Brian


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