From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,NICE_REPLY_A, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 4851 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2021 15:48:34 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 4 Feb 2021 15:48:34 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 6726A9CAA2; Fri, 5 Feb 2021 01:48:16 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A69EA9CA2F; Fri, 5 Feb 2021 01:47:49 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b="qr4tn5wf"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 69DFB9CA36; Fri, 5 Feb 2021 01:47:48 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-ot1-f45.google.com (mail-ot1-f45.google.com [209.85.210.45]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CCB959CA49 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 2021 01:47:45 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-ot1-f45.google.com with SMTP id i20so3822153otl.7 for ; Thu, 04 Feb 2021 07:47:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:content-language; bh=X/ab50z3PylhBRhr8ELQk3NEMobk9AKH7Mp14RkaFJ4=; b=qr4tn5wfbWB/8XyF9hHMC80GksuKQmWjdSbX/5IAipBBgLG6vLJBkXYIjX8qPtrX8P gYneA5nHIWwCGNjlUTzuIso/VmcpXdLo3wwy6jxsuuPc7j3S3VMFD6Pq+hXgOhBoiywf 0ICYLsQezsh3CQazA1xh9vv3S98NllnYlhny4GdhjKnGM6l2cVZDOr7iTrRhMG6jhYyv sJR6v6YA2lIw8C2TDKpVQr5khJJtLYaOD3XjdDJzi0JUmqh6KSHqxO8KbDpAEg3xQCaP GJQKbnRaYWoKWk4xHg/hEacWbT0bxMlb0bPQRz/G6DTZBrz4izXsuasA8olrUvHagfuW MpMQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding :content-language; bh=X/ab50z3PylhBRhr8ELQk3NEMobk9AKH7Mp14RkaFJ4=; b=uJ/HO5VnEA/E3L/j9CsEcz8VNnbTW4N+8Ivy6H9EGYQ1vKSmywpbegoiTwkuidvmMx xoAzAojaiCh76sqzOcmZRwm1/hrQG+lfz1NEBYcEzlQ7zNcghWH+p/Zd8tGSQqiemGGV MDYuwPvs82oW0wr3ZnMjSvLMLMiKlqYDPP/AleqpEMx7wQDCb6XE+q7Vo6lqg6D7F59A lnRqYKDET2YOPKd2C6Wl5kTmW0wZgmVUGkA6y3K39v+9q11wcfeVT/8ZSDwbjf4YARgI fFYTP/wvePfb9aQafml9EmyV1NdFzUL60/O9esUlaMAkWG1euhQ5IOW54mDOeGFYDcUB /Bbw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532GZsWgvlm9/wRQRx4yA1sbP44wfdLg/XwvQopdSr3X85b2CXGc Gqv5K/KfemV5RusTGR+4BZa8OAhqjBsYzg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJy980/9L93avink0uwbEI9guldfrFJdW3C9t28X7iEnYEDwfse8xP5uNBSm+lnCW3mnW2RXlg== X-Received: by 2002:a9d:4e8d:: with SMTP id v13mr6465724otk.12.1612453664064; Thu, 04 Feb 2021 07:47:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from terra.local ([2001:49d0:142:1500:1d21:45cf:6041:b6a8]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id e14sm1153817oou.19.2021.02.04.07.47.43 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 04 Feb 2021 07:47:43 -0800 (PST) To: Chris Torek , lm@mcvoy.com References: <202102040746.1147kb2Z095593@elf.torek.net> From: Will Senn Message-ID: <6e0c3aac-bc46-340e-4d1c-8d30d046aaae@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2021 09:47:42 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <202102040746.1147kb2Z095593@elf.torek.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [TUHS] FreeBSD behind the times? (was: Favorite unix design principles?) X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: tuhs@tuhs.org Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" On 2/4/21 1:46 AM, Chris Torek wrote: > For what it's worth, you don't *have* to use compression on ZFS. > But everything still goes through the ARC, which is ... messy. > And eats memory for breakfast and then more memory for snacks and > lunch and more snacks and so on. Fortunately memory is cheap, if > you have a modern box. Unfortunately, I still don't, yet. > > ZFS has a ton of stuff in it. That, also, is messy, and not a > great thing in terms of kernel size and security and alacrity and > so on. But it has some really cool ideas in it. I'm perfectly > happy to use it, or will be once I build a new box (still haven't > made the jump to an AMD system with ECC). > > Chris OMG! It's a memory hog, for sure, and messy :)