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From: Chet Ramey <chet.ramey@case.edu>
To: Bakul Shah <bakul@iitbombay.org>, Dan Cross <crossd@gmail.com>
Cc: TUHS main list <tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org>,
	Noel Chiappa <jnc@mercury.lcs.mit.edu>
Subject: Re: [TUHS] moving directories in svr2
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2021 13:56:51 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <702196cf-2209-5416-5505-b3a70d3a682a@case.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <99D8FDF5-7B60-43CA-AAAD-974056644668@iitbombay.org>

On 12/30/21 7:43 PM, Bakul Shah wrote:

> Without the ".." entry you can't map a dir inode back to a path.
> Note that something similar can happen even today:
> 
> $ mkdir ~/a; cd ~/a; rm -rf ~/a; cd ..
> cd: no such file or directory: ..
> 
> $ mkdir -p ~/a/b; ln -s ~/a/b b; cd b; mv ~/a/b ~/a/c; cd ../b
> ls: ../b: No such file or directory

Modern POSIX shells attempt to disguise this for cd and pwd, using $PWD and
a canonicalization algorithm that essentially backs up one component when
it encounters `..' and removes `.' (with verification at each step and
error handling of various quality). It's the default behavior; the
traditional physical behavior is available with -P. It's a variant of the
ksh schme that Rob's lexical names paper explores.

It has the usual weaknesses: what works for cd doesn't work for, say, ls
or any other utilities that don't understand this particular scheme.

It produces the expected behavior for the first case above, but can be
fooled by file system changes that invalidate $PWD, as in the second case.
(I assume the `ls' error message was either a typo or an artifact of a
function or alias for `cd').

-- 
``The lyf so short, the craft so long to lerne.'' - Chaucer
		 ``Ars longa, vita brevis'' - Hippocrates
Chet Ramey, UTech, CWRU    chet@case.edu    http://tiswww.cwru.edu/~chet/

  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-12-31 19:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 81+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-12-30  3:45 Noel Chiappa
2021-12-30  4:02 ` Bakul Shah
2021-12-30 16:40 ` Theodore Ts'o
2021-12-30 22:31   ` Dan Cross
2021-12-31  0:43     ` Bakul Shah
2021-12-31  1:00       ` Rob Pike
2021-12-31  1:45         ` Bakul Shah
2021-12-31  2:23           ` Adam Thornton
2021-12-31 18:56       ` Chet Ramey [this message]
2021-12-31  3:08     ` Theodore Ts'o
2021-12-31  3:23       ` Rob Pike
2021-12-31  5:16         ` Theodore Ts'o
2021-12-31  5:21           ` Dan Cross
2021-12-31  5:55           ` Rob Pike
2021-12-31 13:32             ` Michael Kjörling
2021-12-31 15:53               ` Adam Thornton
2021-12-31 16:13                 ` Arthur Krewat
2021-12-31 18:17                 ` Dan Cross
2021-12-31 18:23                   ` Larry McVoy
2021-12-31 18:37                     ` Dan Cross
2021-12-31 18:29                   ` Arthur Krewat
2022-01-01  0:09                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2022-01-03 13:35                     ` Dan Cross
2022-01-03 20:23                       ` Theodore Ts'o
2022-01-03 20:45                         ` Warner Losh
2022-01-03 21:15                         ` Dan Cross
2022-01-03 22:26                           ` Theodore Ts'o
2022-01-03 23:10                             ` Dan Cross
2022-01-04 15:45                             ` Chet Ramey
2022-01-09 19:28                             ` Larry McVoy
2022-01-03 23:21                           ` Doug McIntyre
2022-01-03 23:37                             ` Adam Thornton
2022-01-04 14:49                               ` Stuart Remphrey
2022-01-03 23:44                             ` Larry McVoy
2022-01-03 23:56                               ` [TUHS] SMP: BSD vs System V (once was: moving directories in svr2) Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2022-01-07 19:01                                 ` Warner Losh
2022-01-09 17:31                                 ` Stuart Remphrey
2022-01-13  2:35                                 ` Kevin Bowling
2022-01-03 23:56                               ` [TUHS] moving directories in svr2 Warner Losh
2022-01-04  2:28                               ` Theodore Ts'o
2022-01-04  2:42                                 ` Larry McVoy
2022-01-04  9:28                                 ` [TUHS] Mythical Distress Sale (was Re: moving directories in svr2) Rob Gingell
2022-01-04 15:17                                   ` Larry McVoy
2022-01-04 15:26                                     ` arnold
2022-01-04 15:40                                       ` Larry McVoy
2022-01-04 15:48                                         ` Richard Salz
2022-01-03 22:57                         ` [TUHS] moving directories in svr2 Phil Budne
2022-01-04 15:40                         ` [TUHS] VRFs (was Re: moving directories in svr2) Derek Fawcus
2021-12-31  5:12       ` [TUHS] moving directories in svr2 Bakul Shah
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2021-12-29 19:33 Noel Chiappa
2021-12-30  3:40 ` Jay Logue via TUHS
2021-12-29 19:13 Douglas McIlroy
2021-12-29 19:37 ` Dan Cross
2021-12-29 20:15   ` Dan Cross
2021-12-29 20:42     ` Richard Salz
2021-12-29 20:58       ` Dan Cross
2021-12-29 21:20         ` Clem Cole
2021-12-30  3:15       ` Bakul Shah
2021-12-29 17:12 Douglas McIlroy
2021-12-29 16:59 Bakul Shah
2021-12-29 17:04 ` Clem Cole
2021-12-29 17:14 ` arnold
2021-12-29 17:38   ` Clem Cole
2021-12-29 17:49     ` Brantley Coile
2021-12-29 18:27       ` ron minnich
2021-12-29 20:59         ` Rob Pike
2021-12-29 14:33 Will Senn
2021-12-29 15:02 ` arnold
2021-12-29 15:38   ` Will Senn
2021-12-29 15:44     ` Richard Salz
2021-12-29 16:17       ` Clem Cole
2021-12-29 16:58         ` Richard Salz
2021-12-30  5:14         ` Dan Stromberg
2021-12-30 16:22           ` Clem Cole
2021-12-30 18:02           ` John Cowan
2021-12-30 23:04             ` Richard Salz
2021-12-29 15:17 ` Clem Cole
2021-12-29 15:44   ` Will Senn
2021-12-29 16:10     ` Clem Cole
2021-12-29 16:33       ` Warner Losh
2021-12-29 16:01   ` Bakul Shah

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