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From: Bakul Shah <bakul@iitbombay.org>
To: Larry McVoy <lm@mcvoy.com>
Cc: TUHS main list <tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org>, Eugene Miya <eugene@soe.ucsc.edu>
Subject: Re: [TUHS] A New History of Modern Computing - my thoughts
Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2021 18:23:02 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <702642B0-311F-4464-B0EB-44166731EAFC@iitbombay.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20211129011244.GJ18441@mcvoy.com>

On Nov 28, 2021, at 5:12 PM, Larry McVoy <lm@mcvoy.com> wrote:
> 
> On Sun, Nov 28, 2021 at 07:19:08PM -0500, Clem Cole wrote:
> 
>> 64 bit PDP-11
> 
> That would be pretty cool.  Your comments about minimalist approaches ring
> really true for me.  The last conversation I had with Greg Chesson was
> a 2 hour rant from him about the fact that nobody who is doing anything
> these days understands the value of a minimalist approach, it's one
> complex framework or whatever after another.  

Indeed.

As far as processor design is concerned, I believe one of the
problems is that there are fewer and fewer people who can do
both h/w and s/w design competently. This is why I think more
programmers should roll up their sleeves and design a
processor and understand the issues involved, especially now
that programming FPGAs is becoming common.  May be start with
an existing RISC-V core in some HDL, and push and pull it
into (what you think is) an ideal minimalist design. Even
adding a codegen target for such a processor (to at least tcc
or Ken's C compiler) won't be all that hard. I believe this
sort of co-design is what is needed to move past the current
designs. It will likely be some young whippersnapper who
doesn't know what is impossible, rather than one of us
greybeards!

  reply	other threads:[~2021-11-29  2:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-11-28 20:26 Jon Steinhart
2021-11-28 21:07 ` Rob Pike
2021-11-28 21:15   ` Jon Steinhart
2021-11-28 21:31     ` Ken Thompson
2021-11-28 21:47       ` Jon Steinhart
2021-11-28 22:17         ` Rob Pike
2021-11-29  0:19           ` Clem Cole
2021-11-29  1:12             ` Larry McVoy
2021-11-29  2:23               ` Bakul Shah [this message]
2021-11-30 19:27                 ` Ralph Corderoy
2021-12-01  8:46                   ` Rich Morin
2021-12-01 12:28                     ` Al Kossow
2021-11-30  3:18               ` Larry McVoy
2021-11-29  1:18             ` George Michaelson
2021-11-29  1:36             ` Bakul Shah
2021-11-29  1:47       ` Bakul Shah
2021-11-29  7:46         ` arnold
2021-11-29  7:52           ` arnold
2021-11-29 14:44             ` Larry McVoy
2021-11-29 12:11         ` Michael Kjörling
2021-11-28 21:23   ` Thomas Paulsen
2021-11-28 21:39     ` Steve Nickolas
2021-11-28 22:41       ` Ron Natalie
2021-11-28 21:40   ` Larry McVoy
2021-11-29 15:37 ` Phil Budne
2021-11-28 23:12 Noel Chiappa
2021-11-28 23:35 ` Adam Thornton
2021-11-29  1:53   ` John Cowan
2021-11-29 13:48   ` Dan Halbert

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