From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 8120c155 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2019 12:12:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 4BC659BD88; Tue, 25 Jun 2019 22:12:25 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77B769BC44; Tue, 25 Jun 2019 22:11:53 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (1024-bit key; unprotected) header.d=kilonet.net header.i=@kilonet.net header.b="ce2L1v9T"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 006F59BC44; Tue, 25 Jun 2019 22:11:50 +1000 (AEST) Received: from p3plsmtpa06-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa06-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.107]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 555859BC43 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2019 22:11:50 +1000 (AEST) Received: from medusa.kilonet.net ([72.69.11.12]) by :SMTPAUTH: with ESMTPA id fkIfhGOCdamu6fkIfhHBGD; Tue, 25 Jun 2019 05:11:49 -0700 Received: from [10.10.25.202] (dellray.kilonet.net [10.10.25.202]) by medusa.kilonet.net (8.14.8/8.15.1) with ESMTP id x5PCBn99004944 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2019 08:11:49 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=kilonet.net; s=default; t=1561464709; bh=T6RrjIeGFuruwDvtPaPchuB2B2p9jsG+25bcc7Va0UU=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=ce2L1v9T7LBDprtnfDMkiQVqEU9MJwkKmnfnBkRM62zFrUdFtjkfONr/lyheL9XDt LPb2h8tEDSNWRT1Vu7eLbsKo5JU4NItWtoyHBfQZSY2YnjGk2WiZ39laLIuqTb+LPl IJLYj5H5QD0It3KVibZPKU3ha8DmJlzyKLOMg8dk= To: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org References: <8D0B5B0D-9956-47D7-8D36-1729BB1E1DA9@eschatologist.net> <5df8c6f6-2768-4bfb-9c47-3345098078a7@PU1APC01FT048.eop-APC01.prod.protection.outlook.com> <20190625000630.GA7655@mcvoy.com> <20190625003120.GA28608@mit.edu> <20190625004523.GB7655@mcvoy.com> From: Arthur Krewat Message-ID: <71d9dfd8-cca9-e842-d2f8-a706cf118d73@kilonet.net> Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2019 08:11:47 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfIz+p+A77qah43xvKox0hzyaWYr8td5XHEKEgv0KtamEV/5c90PjhOEgLgws2O0XzPGL4NdtYcaDhxo+zBatvgr7FLVIMNmoEDe+juw1ziuyeRSw4u1Q KpHT1NULJi5CJsNkMh8Z63KYjIiaWcDciFt284VBOeQ1fNTP9N416+e2 Subject: Re: [TUHS] CMU Mach sources? X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" There's nothing like sitting in a room listening to your elders argue over minutiae. Or huge issues such as code cleanliness ;) I didn't even graduate high school, but one of the first things my mentor/boss did before I started working for him as a consultant was to comment, and write clean code. And that was on TOPS-10, using MACRO-10. I've recently been exposed to a grad student's C++ code, and between no error checking and outright lack of formatting or any other care in the world for "clean" code, his stuff is atrocious. His casts from one type to another to another to another through nested function calls makes my skin crawl. ak On 6/25/2019 4:00 AM, Kevin Bowling wrote: > Why not? The utility of history isn't just recording or paying > reverence for the past, we can also draw conclusions in the current or > insights into the future -- "the old new thing" > > That's certainly why I'm here and invest in computer history. Of > course it can be lossy, and victors get more air time. But there's > nothing inherently wrong with strong opinions or criticism of the > past. > > Regards, > Kevin > > On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 6:01 PM Richard Salz wrote: >> Is this really the kind of commentary appropriate for this list? I mean I'm new here, but...