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* [TUHS] Welcome to new TUHS subscribers
@ 2019-10-09 20:13 Warren Toomey
  2019-10-09 20:50 ` Tomasz Rola
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From: Warren Toomey @ 2019-10-09 20:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: tuhs

All, we just had about a dozen new subscribers to the TUHS list. Rather than
e-mail you all individually, I thought I'd use the list itself to say
"Welcome!".

The TUHS list generally has a high signal/noise ratio on the history of
Unix, the systems and software, and anecdotes from those who used the
various flavours. Occasionally, we drift a bit off-topic and I'll gently
nudge the conversation back to Unix history.

The list archives are at: https://minnie.tuhs.org/pipermail/tuhs/
and you should browse the last couple of months to get a feel for
what we talk about.

Cheers, Warren

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* Re: [TUHS] Welcome to new TUHS subscribers
  2019-10-09 20:13 [TUHS] Welcome to new TUHS subscribers Warren Toomey
@ 2019-10-09 20:50 ` Tomasz Rola
  2019-10-09 23:26 ` Dave Horsfall
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From: Tomasz Rola @ 2019-10-09 20:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: tuhs

On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 06:13:21AM +1000, Warren Toomey wrote:
> All, we just had about a dozen new subscribers to the TUHS list. Rather than
> e-mail you all individually, I thought I'd use the list itself to say
> "Welcome!".

Aloha!

SunOS/Solaris 1992-1995 (user)
AIX - a very short period inside Solaris period (user)
Linux 1994-... (finally, a small time admin)
OpenBSD ... (if I migrate there) - ... 

-- 
Regards,
Tomasz Rola

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* Re: [TUHS] Welcome to new TUHS subscribers
  2019-10-09 20:13 [TUHS] Welcome to new TUHS subscribers Warren Toomey
  2019-10-09 20:50 ` Tomasz Rola
@ 2019-10-09 23:26 ` Dave Horsfall
  2019-10-09 23:51 ` Warren Toomey
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From: Dave Horsfall @ 2019-10-09 23:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society

On Thu, 10 Oct 2019, Warren Toomey wrote:

> All, we just had about a dozen new subscribers to the TUHS list. Rather 
> than e-mail you all individually, I thought I'd use the list itself to 
> say "Welcome!".

May this list live forever!

-- Dave

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* Re: [TUHS] Welcome to new TUHS subscribers
  2019-10-09 20:13 [TUHS] Welcome to new TUHS subscribers Warren Toomey
  2019-10-09 20:50 ` Tomasz Rola
  2019-10-09 23:26 ` Dave Horsfall
@ 2019-10-09 23:51 ` Warren Toomey
  2019-10-10  0:03   ` Dave Horsfall
  2019-10-09 23:58 ` Greg 'groggy' Lehey
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From: Warren Toomey @ 2019-10-09 23:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: tuhs

On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 06:13:21AM +1000, Warren Toomey wrote:
> The TUHS list generally has a high signal/noise ratio on the history of
> Unix, the systems and software, and anecdotes from those who used the
> various flavours. Occasionally, we drift a bit off-topic and I'll gently
> nudge the conversation back to Unix history.

Heh, I just realised that I'm the UNIX of mail list administrators. I say
nothing when you do the usual things, but give you a cryptic warning when
you do something not quite right :)

Ciao, Warren

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* Re: [TUHS] Welcome to new TUHS subscribers
  2019-10-09 20:13 [TUHS] Welcome to new TUHS subscribers Warren Toomey
                   ` (2 preceding siblings ...)
  2019-10-09 23:51 ` Warren Toomey
@ 2019-10-09 23:58 ` Greg 'groggy' Lehey
  2019-10-10  9:21 ` Tony Travis
  2019-10-10 15:27 ` [TUHS] Welcome to new TUHS subscribers Larry W. Cashdollar via TUHS
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From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey @ 2019-10-09 23:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Warren Toomey; +Cc: tuhs

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On Thursday, 10 October 2019 at  6:13:21 +1000, Warren Toomey wrote:
> All, we just had about a dozen new subscribers to the TUHS
> list. Rather than e-mail you all individually, I thought I'd use the
> list itself to say "Welcome!".

"Welcome!".

> The TUHS list generally has a high signal/noise ratio on the history of
> Unix, the systems and software, and anecdotes from those who used the
> various flavours. Occasionally, we drift a bit off-topic and I'll gently
> nudge the conversation back to Unix history.

You might like to point at the COFF list (coff@tuhs.org) for
(slightly) off-topic posts.

Greg
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* Re: [TUHS] Welcome to new TUHS subscribers
  2019-10-09 23:51 ` Warren Toomey
@ 2019-10-10  0:03   ` Dave Horsfall
  2019-10-10  0:22     ` greg travis
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From: Dave Horsfall @ 2019-10-10  0:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society

On Thu, 10 Oct 2019, Warren Toomey wrote:

> Heh, I just realised that I'm the UNIX of mail list administrators. I 
> say nothing when you do the usual things, but give you a cryptic warning 
> when you do something not quite right :)

Was it "ed" that only gave two error messages?  Something like "tmp" for 
/tmp being full, and "?" for "error - you get to figure it out"?

And there was the car (ObUS: auto) that only had a single warning light: 
"The user is supposed to know what it means."

-- Dave

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* Re: [TUHS] Welcome to new TUHS subscribers
  2019-10-10  0:03   ` Dave Horsfall
@ 2019-10-10  0:22     ` greg travis
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From: greg travis @ 2019-10-10  0:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Dave Horsfall; +Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society

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On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 8:03 PM Dave Horsfall <dave@horsfall.org> wrote:

> And there was the car (ObUS: auto) that only had a single warning light:
> "The user is supposed to know what it means."
>
> -- Dave
>

"Ken Thompson has an automobile which he helped design. Unlike most
automobiles, it has neither speedometer, nor gas gauge, nor any of the
other numerous idiot lights which plague the modern driver. Rather, if the
driver makes a mistake, a giant “?” lights up in the center of the
dashboard. “The experienced driver,” says Thompson, “will usually know
what’s wrong.”"

(https://www.netfunny.com/rhf/jokes/new90/366.html)

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* Re: [TUHS] Welcome to new TUHS subscribers
  2019-10-09 20:13 [TUHS] Welcome to new TUHS subscribers Warren Toomey
                   ` (3 preceding siblings ...)
  2019-10-09 23:58 ` Greg 'groggy' Lehey
@ 2019-10-10  9:21 ` Tony Travis
  2019-10-11 13:19   ` [TUHS] BSD Password cracked (fun) SPC
  2019-10-10 15:27 ` [TUHS] Welcome to new TUHS subscribers Larry W. Cashdollar via TUHS
  5 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread
From: Tony Travis @ 2019-10-10  9:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: tuhs

On 09/10/2019 21:13, Warren Toomey wrote:
> All, we just had about a dozen new subscribers to the TUHS list. Rather than
> e-mail you all individually, I thought I'd use the list itself to say
> "Welcome!".
> [...]

Hi, Warren.

I'm one of your recent TUHS list subscribers - I first encountered AT&T 
Version 7 Unix on a PDP11/34 and I've used all sorts of *nix since then.

One thing I noticed on this list is people's interest in the use of 
UPPER/lower case in Unix. It's always puzzled me when everyone talks 
about [the] PDP11 when, in fact, is says "pdp11" on the system itself:

> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ee/Pdp-11-40.jpg/250px-Pdp-11-40.jpg

DEC seemed to have a schizophrenic attitude to this in their 
documentation, sometimes using "PDP11" and sometimes "pdp11".

Not sure if anyone else had a similar experience to me when visiting the 
"Computer History Museum" in Palo Alto and being totally shocked to see 
machines I used 'quite recently' there as museum exhibits!

I also made a complaint to the Museum, because the original Donald 
Becker Beowulf was hidden away in a corner behind a Cray machine :-(

Nevertheless, a fantastic museum and I highly recommend a visit!

Bye,

   Tony.

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* Re: [TUHS] Welcome to new TUHS subscribers
@ 2019-10-10 13:18 jnc
  2019-10-11  2:46 ` Dave Horsfall
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From: jnc @ 2019-10-10 13:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: tuhs; +Cc: jnc

    > From: Tony Travis

    > It's always puzzled me when everyone talks about [the] PDP11 when, in
    > fact, is says "pdp11" on the system itself:

DEC documentation mostly used uppercase in the text; e.g. the "pdp11
peripherals handbook" (to transcribe the cover exactly) uses "PDP-11"
several times on pg 1-1.

	Noel


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* Re: [TUHS] Welcome to new TUHS subscribers
  2019-10-09 20:13 [TUHS] Welcome to new TUHS subscribers Warren Toomey
                   ` (4 preceding siblings ...)
  2019-10-10  9:21 ` Tony Travis
@ 2019-10-10 15:27 ` Larry W. Cashdollar via TUHS
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From: Larry W. Cashdollar via TUHS @ 2019-10-10 15:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Warren Toomey, tuhs

On 10/9/19, 4:13 PM, "TUHS on behalf of Warren Toomey" <tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org on behalf of wkt@tuhs.org> wrote:
   > All, we just had about a dozen new subscribers to the TUHS list. Rather than
    >e-mail you all individually, I thought I'd use the list itself to say
    >"Welcome!".
 
 Hello, Everyone!

My first interaction with a UNIX system was with a Dec Alpha in my C programming class ~ 1993.  In 1994 I installed Slackware on my 486. 
I've worked with HP-UX, SCO, BSD, *inux*, Solaris, IRIX, AIX since then.  I have a Sun Ultra 1500, Sun Ultra 5 and an SGI Indy R5000 all running at home
In my office.

Thank you!,
Larry Cashdollar.

Yes, that's my real name. __




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* Re: [TUHS] Welcome to new TUHS subscribers
  2019-10-10 13:18 jnc
@ 2019-10-11  2:46 ` Dave Horsfall
  2019-10-11 12:55   ` Tony Travis
  2019-10-12 19:39   ` Nemo Nusquam
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From: Dave Horsfall @ 2019-10-11  2:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society

On Thu, 10 Oct 2019, Noel Chiappa wrote:

> DEC documentation mostly used uppercase in the text; e.g. the "pdp11
> peripherals handbook" (to transcribe the cover exactly) uses "PDP-11"
> several times on pg 1-1.

And being an acronym it is of course upper-case...

-- Dave

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* Re: [TUHS] Welcome to new TUHS subscribers
  2019-10-11  2:46 ` Dave Horsfall
@ 2019-10-11 12:55   ` Tony Travis
  2019-10-11 13:11     ` Michael Parson
  2019-10-12 19:39   ` Nemo Nusquam
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread
From: Tony Travis @ 2019-10-11 12:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: tuhs

On 11/10/2019 03:46, Dave Horsfall wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Oct 2019, Noel Chiappa wrote:
> 
>> DEC documentation mostly used uppercase in the text; e.g. the "pdp11
>> peripherals handbook" (to transcribe the cover exactly) uses "PDP-11"
>> several times on pg 1-1.
> 
> And being an acronym it is of course upper-case...

Hi, Dave.

On the _machine_ itself, DEC wrote "pdp11"...

An acronym doesn't have to be upper-case!

Many Unix commands are lower case acronyms:

   cd = (c)ange (d)irectory
   pwd (p)rint (w)orking (directory)
   ls = (l)ist file(s)

I guess that my introduction to Seventh Edition Unix running on a 
"pdp11/34" made me think it was obviously designed to run Unix ;-)

Bye,

   Tony.

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* Re: [TUHS] Welcome to new TUHS subscribers
  2019-10-11 12:55   ` Tony Travis
@ 2019-10-11 13:11     ` Michael Parson
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From: Michael Parson @ 2019-10-11 13:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: tuhs

On 2019-10-11 07:55, Tony Travis wrote:
> On 11/10/2019 03:46, Dave Horsfall wrote:
>> On Thu, 10 Oct 2019, Noel Chiappa wrote:
>> 
>>> DEC documentation mostly used uppercase in the text; e.g. the "pdp11
>>> peripherals handbook" (to transcribe the cover exactly) uses "PDP-11"
>>> several times on pg 1-1.
>> 
>> And being an acronym it is of course upper-case...
> 
> Hi, Dave.
> 
> On the _machine_ itself, DEC wrote "pdp11"...

Well, that's also in-line with their using all lower-case on their logo.

> An acronym doesn't have to be upper-case!
> 
> Many Unix commands are lower case acronyms:
> 
>   cd = (c)ange (d)irectory
>   pwd (p)rint (w)orking (directory)
>   ls = (l)ist file(s)

I always thought of it as (l)i(s)t files.

> I guess that my introduction to Seventh Edition Unix running on a
> "pdp11/34" made me think it was obviously designed to run Unix ;-)
> 
> Bye,
> 
>   Tony.

-- 
Michael Parson
Pflugerville, TX
KF5LGQ

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* [TUHS] BSD Password cracked (fun)
  2019-10-10  9:21 ` Tony Travis
@ 2019-10-11 13:19   ` SPC
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From: SPC @ 2019-10-11 13:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: tuhs

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A bit of fun. In appeareance, 39 years later, Ken Thompson's password on
BSD Unix has been cracked... Congratulations for the password, by the way.


https://thehackernews.com/2019/10/unix-bsd-password-cracked.html

Cordiales saludos / Kind Regards.

Gracias | Regards - Saludos | Greetings | Freundliche Grüße | Salutations
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* Re: [TUHS] Welcome to new TUHS subscribers
  2019-10-11  2:46 ` Dave Horsfall
  2019-10-11 12:55   ` Tony Travis
@ 2019-10-12 19:39   ` Nemo Nusquam
  2019-10-12 20:42     ` Tony Travis
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread
From: Nemo Nusquam @ 2019-10-12 19:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: tuhs

On 10/10/19 22:46, Dave Horsfall wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Oct 2019, Noel Chiappa wrote:
>
>> DEC documentation mostly used uppercase in the text; e.g. the "pdp11
>> peripherals handbook" (to transcribe the cover exactly) uses "PDP-11"
>> several times on pg 1-1.
>
> And being an acronym it is of course upper-case...

At the risk of being labelled a pedant. from the OED:

acronym orig. U.S. (ˈækrənɪm) [f. acr(o- + -onym after homonym.]
A word formed from the initial letters of other words. Hence as v. 
trans., to convert into an acronym (chiefly pass. and as pa. pple.). 
Also acroˈnymic a.; acroˈnymically adv.; ˈacronyming vbl. n.; 
ˈacronymize v. trans.

vs.

initialism (ɪnˈɪʃəlɪzm) [f. initial n. + -ism.]
The use of initials; a significative group of initial letters. Now spec. 
a group of initial letters used as an abbreviation for a name or 
expression, each letter or part being pronounced separately (contrasted 
with acronym).

N.
> -- Dave


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* Re: [TUHS] Welcome to new TUHS subscribers
  2019-10-12 19:39   ` Nemo Nusquam
@ 2019-10-12 20:42     ` Tony Travis
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread
From: Tony Travis @ 2019-10-12 20:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: tuhs

On 12/10/2019 20:39, Nemo Nusquam wrote:
> On 10/10/19 22:46, Dave Horsfall wrote:
>> On Thu, 10 Oct 2019, Noel Chiappa wrote:
>>
>>> DEC documentation mostly used uppercase in the text; e.g. the "pdp11
>>> peripherals handbook" (to transcribe the cover exactly) uses "PDP-11"
>>> several times on pg 1-1.
>>
>> And being an acronym it is of course upper-case...
> 
> At the risk of being labelled a pedant. from the OED:

Hi, Nemo.

It takes one to know one!

> https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/acronym

What is interesting about this definition is that an 'acronym' is 
pronounced as a word (i.e. not spelled out as letters). So, from that 
point of view PDP-11 is an 'initialism' and not an acronym :-)

> https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/initialism

Which opens up a whole area of controversy about how to pronounce:

   vi

In my experience, research users and hackers spell it out as "vee eye" 
as originally described by Bill Joy, but business/enterprise users tend 
to pronounce it as "vye" instead.

Well, I'm a research *nix user so I spell "vi" out, but my dark secret 
is that I do pronounce "vim" as a full word and don't spell it out...

I suppose this is just about recognition of a suitable peer group that 
agree, but it really sets my teeth on edge when people pronounce "vi"!

Anyone else got pet hates about how people pronounce *nix commands?

There are many pointless discussions about this already on the Internet, 
so please only post comments here of historical interest like mine :-)

Bye,

   Tony.

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