From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 8206 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2023 21:13:14 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 19 Jan 2023 21:13:14 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A49C5424D5; Fri, 20 Jan 2023 07:13:09 +1000 (AEST) Received: from out1-smtp.messagingengine.com (out1-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2E63B424D4 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2023 07:13:05 +1000 (AEST) Received: from compute5.internal (compute5.nyi.internal [10.202.2.45]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 994255C005B; Thu, 19 Jan 2023 16:13:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailfrontend1 ([10.202.2.162]) by compute5.internal (MEProxy); Thu, 19 Jan 2023 16:13:04 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=serissa.com; h= cc:cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type:date:date:from:from :in-reply-to:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :reply-to:sender:subject:subject:to:to; s=fm2; t=1674162784; x= 1674249184; bh=DiZ1IRMKg7Jf9KM8W9IRo/Fs1U85w/8ZVf6sHLwuzwQ=; b=R Un8IURRR7KNBuV+VrijfaXQkm6A1ygzSG3l71JYGuJgg2Cf9WMtxbqDEb+lPdth6 RuDV6Wsk/3Uoyqy6vvmfhcNgukxcXVuBmI6zpqeBH4kRdnTrca2paMVo6MseQl4S kiMF0RLhRLSxLPAImjjLBzjW2yJt6827ATGEbRX5aoBZmU1d440jXwNLjmF1OHXn YUq3RKwjQTxr40vFz9DDN0gbQzjDFsunmaZxHcDuiw0VEtOZRmdnVPmOwMZWV3ud /9tTvZNPSTaAmpERoT8/JZJqtp+w8s2VI3ss30NrH+XN0pbzCifx/Om3r7hJznNv Me4g8ocl9yWLfZHgJ24Ng== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:cc:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:date:date:feedback-id:feedback-id:from:from :in-reply-to:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :reply-to:sender:subject:subject:to:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy :x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm3; t=1674162784; x= 1674249184; bh=DiZ1IRMKg7Jf9KM8W9IRo/Fs1U85w/8ZVf6sHLwuzwQ=; b=g TWjPGKUV7xgbxjr+IRylYU1p48DBEAqbGQ2dKqfDiQVvV389995K78JVAZI9I6YC 3Oa/oj4JNs6y+YOqSwOHXJtUhRz9UZlcK9TSaaaylwiPvA/A193wrnIHhhulXqZN kc3DfK0ykb0+WYy06ikD352dRRQt/sQjVK/myos661XDjZptPJ+hZ8sDRBmPfEE/ YQ2Vt/9Xua2A4mzn7/m/V/OevFXDn+QIsOMCbQuZZtzOLklf/LkthNdTvLMZXKcq OCIZUzQqsGevY/ZiFULJ3jWPYZ6AUXkWmQKmEyphyXl70nrdPVsS3yKAOUXXXAzF VcWGycDU8hEfQ5WUCZDpQ== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Received: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedvhedruddutddgudegjecutefuodetggdotefrod ftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfgh necuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecunecujfgurheptggguffhjgffvefgkfhfvffose htqhhmtdhhtdejnecuhfhrohhmpefnrgifrhgvnhgtvgcuufhtvgifrghrthcuoehsthgv figrrhhtsehsvghrihhsshgrrdgtohhmqeenucggtffrrghtthgvrhhnpeelvedtffelud ekgfevuddtleeihfetgeffteevgfejheekfeehiedugfdvffeigfenucevlhhushhtvghr ufhiiigvpedtnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehsthgvfigrrhhtsehsvghrih hsshgrrdgtohhm X-ME-Proxy: Feedback-ID: ibf61458d:Fastmail Received: by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA; Thu, 19 Jan 2023 16:13:04 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3731.300.101.1.3\)) From: Lawrence Stewart In-Reply-To: <20230119175012.E7E7E18C074@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2023 16:12:53 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <75EC5F45-3AC0-49DA-9A01-9F39D45603B4@serissa.com> References: <20230119175012.E7E7E18C074@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> To: Noel Chiappa X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3731.300.101.1.3) Message-ID-Hash: RHCPQIWC3HSA4Q6D52G2H77REVJGGWIO X-Message-ID-Hash: RHCPQIWC3HSA4Q6D52G2H77REVJGGWIO X-MailFrom: stewart@serissa.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Managers/architects (was: AIX moved into maintainance mode) List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: >=20 > Bob Taylor? PARC did some _incredibly_ important stuff in his time. = Yes, I > know a lot of the credit goes to those under him (Butler Lampson, Alan = Kay - > not sure if he was in Taylor's group, Boggs, Metcalfe, etc) but he had = to > manage them all. Not sure what his technical role was, though. >=20 Taylor was an extraordinary manager, but neither a programmer nor = architect. I=E2=80=99d certainly add Vic Vyssotsky as manager and technologist from = my own experience=20 and labs folklore, but I don=E2=80=99t know about programming or = architecture. -Larry