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Linderman" X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (19G82) Message-ID-Hash: SM2XMTDTXGCKOZPII7WREVY6VUR5DMMP X-Message-ID-Hash: SM2XMTDTXGCKOZPII7WREVY6VUR5DMMP X-MailFrom: stewart@serissa.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: steve jenkin , TUHS X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Early Unix and Keyboard Skills List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --Apple-Mail-390AEC8C-2C76-4C2C-8119-2451AFCD5C57 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In 1969 at the end of 9 th grade I got a foot injury that kept me on crutche= s for the summer so I took summer school typing. very worthwhile. I think 90= % of the class were young women. My parents encouraged it mostly because it w= ould make writing term papers much easier, which it did, but of course it h= ad many computing benefits as well. the ancient typewriters had really heavy keys with long strokes. Much like t= eletypes. > On Nov 2, 2022, at 8:27 AM, John P. Linderman wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BF > When I was in high school (in the early sixties) I tried to sign up for ty= ping, which was taught on manual typewriters. I was told that the class was f= or girls only, and I was turned away. I never did develop good typing skills= . I'm pretty much a two-fingered typist. Ironically, I have probably done mo= re typing than 90% of the female classmates who were allowed to take the cla= ss. >=20 > Precision figured mightily in those days, which may also have pre-dated wh= ite-out. Eliminating an error was a big deal. Now it's dead easy, and auto-c= orrect has already fixed several errors in this message.=20 >=20 >> On Wed, Nov 2, 2022 at 8:14 AM Steffen Nurpmeso wrot= e: >> steve jenkin wrote in >> : >> ... >> |I=E2=80=99ve never heard anyone mention keyboard skills with the people= of \ >> |the CSRC - doesn=E2=80=99t anyone know? >>=20 >> What i personally find more fascinating (given that -- in the >> right condition -- i type pretty fast even in total darkness but >> darkest possible monitor brightness) is the multitaskability some >> show, in respect to combination of mouse and keyboard (or even >> dual-mouse if i remember a message of Rob Pike right). I once >> watched a video on the google tube of Russ Cox dancing acme doing >> go testing, could be it is [1]. When he starts to actually work >> a bit (late on iirc), that is thrilling, i could never select / >> paste (kill snarf yank what do i know) that fast. >>=20 >> [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DdP1xVpMPn8M >>=20 >> --steffen >> | >> |Der Kragenbaer, The moon bear, >> |der holt sich munter he cheerfully and one by one >> |einen nach dem anderen runter wa.ks himself off >> |(By Robert Gernhardt) --Apple-Mail-390AEC8C-2C76-4C2C-8119-2451AFCD5C57 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In 1= 969 at the end of 9 th grade I got a foot injury that kept me on crutches fo= r the summer so I took summer school typing. very worthwhile. I think 90% of= the class were young women. My parents encouraged it mostly because it woul= d make  writing term papers much easier, which it did, but of course it= had many computing benefits as well.
the ancient type= writers had really heavy keys with long strokes. Much like teletypes.
<= div dir=3D"ltr">
On Nov 2, 2022, at 8:27 AM, Jo= hn P. Linderman <jpl.jpl@gmail.com> wrote:

<= blockquote type=3D"cite">
=EF=BB=BF
When I was in high school (in= the early sixties) I tried to sign up for typing, which was taught on manua= l typewriters. I was told that the class was for girls only, and I was turne= d away. I never did develop good typing skills. I'm pretty much a two-finger= ed typist. Ironically, I have probably done more typing than 90% of the fema= le classmates who were allowed to take the class.

Precision figured mightily in those days, which may a= lso have pre-dated white-out. Eliminating an error was a big deal. Now it's d= ead easy, and auto-correct has already fixed several errors in this message.=  

On Wed, Nov 2, 2022 at 8:14 AM Steffen Nurpmeso <steffen@sdaoden.eu> wrote:=
steve jenkin wrot= e in
 <E212D205-B786-4441-A95B-B5F5546B5C6C@canb.auug.org.= au>:
 ...
 |I=E2=80=99ve never heard anyone mention keyboard skills with the peop= le of \
 |the CSRC - doesn=E2=80=99t anyone know?

What i personally find more fascinating (given that -- in the
right condition -- i type pretty fast even in total darkness but
darkest possible monitor brightness) is the multitaskability some
show, in respect to combination of mouse and keyboard (or even
dual-mouse if i remember a message of Rob Pike right).  I once
watched a video on the google tube of Russ Cox dancing acme doing
go testing, could be it is [1].  When he starts to actually work
a bit (late on iirc), that is thrilling, i could never select /
paste (kill snarf yank what do i know) that fast.

  [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DdP1xVpMPn8M<= /a>

--steffen
|
|Der Kragenbaer,                The m= oon bear,
|der holt sich munter           he cheerfully a= nd one by one
|einen nach dem anderen runter  wa.ks himself off
|(By Robert Gernhardt)
= --Apple-Mail-390AEC8C-2C76-4C2C-8119-2451AFCD5C57--