From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.9 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, GB_FAKE_RF_SHORT,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [IPv6:2600:3c01:e000:146::1]) by inbox.vuxu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01C4026B52 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2024 17:16:21 +0100 (CET) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C4B140ED5; Tue, 23 Jan 2024 02:16:12 +1000 (AEST) Received: from ewsoutbound.kpnmail.nl (unknown [195.121.94.184]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E4118402EF for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2024 02:15:56 +1000 (AEST) X-KPN-MessageId: 7b93ed06-b941-11ee-91e7-005056994fde Received: from smtp.kpnmail.nl (unknown [10.31.155.6]) by ewsoutbound.so.kpn.org (Halon) with ESMTPS id 7b93ed06-b941-11ee-91e7-005056994fde; Mon, 22 Jan 2024 17:15:39 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=planet.nl; s=planet01; h=to:date:message-id:subject:mime-version:content-type:from; bh=BkSaDUHpzex4YX/H1Mkj0Uac4xYYRngfIRKCVREqwBE=; b=zRH3bxinjBg7jmYU489T6TsnYRqUJ24/t7otbq6H0eyRoCGsm8R91Odnndp7IcfokLQtbYsGcrt7x ifoXyW9iNZhQhpAH8h5Ass6MO7I7AY+T66ZqWcjDNf3Qj8Ol/5jtdCgTJCg1foZUWbWBxPdLYQ0IPw lCeYdO6UfflBWGNk= X-KPN-MID: 33|rjjmJa1lRMWQLSaTGp7t3xQ0tDdrT3kSNzVR+33dgYaGPBERpZxqXFw4NzBMf0H t6lrsE/He484/JbZ+oFq0UeB1N13nLJeqr7weLBTeL5E= X-KPN-VerifiedSender: Yes X-CMASSUN: 33|S7bMLTjWvAamvdD5Rebo8P+VE/n8z5diZc3AsFD0/7YbRBfzkgQFgG2RH8qofsO Vp9t277OK6rQdamrCWP/JsA== X-Originating-IP: 77.172.38.96 Received: from smtpclient.apple (77-172-38-96.fixed.kpn.net [77.172.38.96]) by smtp.kpnmail.nl (Halon) with ESMTPSA id 7f097e9c-b941-11ee-9dc8-00505699772e; Mon, 22 Jan 2024 17:15:45 +0100 (CET) From: Paul Ruizendaal Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 14.0 \(3654.120.0.1.15\)) Message-Id: <7B9EBFA7-C16A-4109-BDB1-B26D7E9DE5AF@planet.nl> Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2024 17:15:44 +0100 To: "tuhs@tuhs.org" , Royce Williams X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.120.0.1.15) Message-ID-Hash: FK2LSSLIYZPEIABUS2IXAXNOLKVFGINL X-Message-ID-Hash: FK2LSSLIYZPEIABUS2IXAXNOLKVFGINL X-MailFrom: pnr@planet.nl X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Mills' initial implementation of FTP - best citation? List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: > I see that the wording on his Wikipedia page has the ambiguous phrase = "had > the first implementation of FTP", which has been flagged as needing > clarification, so I intend to provide it. >=20 > In both this interview: >=20 > https://conservancy.umn.edu/bitstream/handle/11299/113899/oh403dlm.pdf >=20 > ... and this video recording of Mills himself giving a lecture at = UDel: >=20 > https://youtu.be/08jBmCvxkv4?t=3D428 >=20 > ... it's quite clear that it's literally true - he authored, compiled, > installed, implemented, and tested the very first (and apparently = second) > FTP server. It may be impossible to provide hard evidence. =46rom RFC 354 it seems = to me that the protocol took on a recognisable shape around July 1972 = and from RFC 414 it seems to me that there were a number of = implementations by November 1972, and unfortunately Dave Mills is not = mentioned. His recollection may well be correct, but finding proof he = was the first in a 4 months time slot 50+ years ago may be too = ambitious. https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc354.txt https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc414.txt Maybe the internet history list can shed some more light on the matter: https://elists.isoc.org/mailman/listinfo/internet-history