From: ches@cheswick.com (William Cheswick)
Subject: [TUHS] MS-DOS
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2016 08:47:01 -0400 [thread overview]
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>>...why didn't they have a more capable kernel than MS-DOS?
>I don't think they cared. or felt it was needed at the time (I disagreed then and still do).
MS-DOS was a better choice at the time than Unix. It had to fit on floppies, and was very simple.
“Unix is a system administrations nightmare” — dmr
Actually, MS-DOS was a runtime system, not an operating system, despite the last two letters of its name.
This is a term of art lost to antiquity.
Run time systems offered a minimum of features: a loader, a file system, a crappy, built-in shell,
I/O for keyboards, tape, screens, crude memory management, etc. No multiuser, no network stacks, no separate processes (mostly). DEC had several (RT11, RSTS, RSX) and the line is perhaps a little fuzzy: they were getting operating-ish.
It all had to fit on a floppy (do I remember correctly that the original floppyies, SSSD, were 90KB?), run
flight simulator and some business apps. MSDOS lasted a decade, and served the PC world well, for all its
crapiness. Win 3.1 was an attempt at an OS, and Win 95 an actual one, with a network stack and everything.
>I agree with 90% of what he says, but not about Algol 68. He obviously
>has a strong preference for small languages: it would be interesting
>to see his uncensored opinions of C++, the Godzilla of our day as Ada
I’d be astonished if he had anything good at all to say about C++.
He’s still around…you could ask him...
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Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2016-06-29 15:17 [TUHS] Algol68 vs. C at Bell Labs scj
2016-06-30 5:06 ` Dave Horsfall
2016-06-30 5:08 ` John Cowan
2016-06-30 11:18 ` arnold
2016-06-30 11:45 ` arnold
2016-06-30 13:22 ` Clem Cole
2016-06-30 14:05 ` Marc Rochkind
2016-06-30 14:33 ` William Cheswick
2016-06-30 14:43 ` Ronald Natalie
2016-06-30 14:57 ` Joerg Schilling
2016-06-30 15:07 ` Ori Idan
2016-06-30 23:07 ` Dave Horsfall
2016-07-01 3:27 ` Jesus Cea
2016-06-30 15:32 ` Dan Cross
2016-06-30 15:49 ` Larry McVoy
2016-06-30 16:32 ` Clem Cole
2016-07-04 5:08 ` [TUHS] OS for IBM PC (was: Algol68 vs. C at Bell Labs) Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2016-06-30 17:07 ` [TUHS] Algol68 vs. C at Bell Labs John Cowan
2016-06-30 17:57 ` Marc Rochkind
2016-06-30 18:31 ` Dan Cross
2016-06-30 19:21 ` Clem Cole
2016-06-30 19:51 ` Dan Cross
2016-06-30 19:55 ` Clem Cole
2016-06-30 20:04 ` Dan Cross
2016-06-30 18:26 ` Steve Nickolas
2016-06-30 19:21 ` Diomidis Spinellis
2016-06-30 19:43 ` Dan Cross
2016-06-30 19:53 ` Clem Cole
2016-06-30 19:47 ` Clem Cole
2016-06-30 20:57 ` Nemo
2016-06-30 23:11 ` Random832
2016-06-30 23:16 ` Marc Rochkind
2016-06-30 23:38 ` Random832
2016-07-01 0:38 ` Clem Cole
2016-07-01 1:21 ` Marc Rochkind
2016-07-01 1:34 ` John Cowan
2016-07-04 19:23 ` Dave Horsfall
2016-07-04 19:56 ` Ronald Natalie
2016-07-01 2:35 ` Nemo
2016-07-01 3:01 ` Kurt H Maier
2016-07-01 3:52 ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2016-07-01 12:47 ` William Cheswick [this message]
2016-07-01 13:43 ` [TUHS] MS-DOS Marc Rochkind
2016-07-01 21:58 ` John Cowan
2016-07-01 22:27 ` Jacob Ritorto
2016-07-01 22:54 ` Jacob Goense
2016-07-01 23:44 ` John Cowan
2016-07-02 0:08 ` Steve Nickolas
2016-07-02 1:09 ` Kurt H Maier
2016-07-02 2:59 ` Dave Horsfall
2016-07-02 3:27 ` Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2016-07-02 23:21 ` Dave Horsfall
2016-07-01 23:49 ` Dave Horsfall
2016-07-02 1:12 ` Steve Nickolas
2016-07-02 4:37 ` SZIGETI Szabolcs
2016-07-02 9:53 ` Brantley Coile
2016-07-01 13:47 ` Clem Cole
2016-07-01 15:13 ` Steve Nickolas
2016-07-02 15:25 ` Ronald Natalie
2016-07-02 15:32 ` Steve Nickolas
2016-07-02 19:46 ` Nemo
2016-07-03 1:18 ` Steve Nickolas
2016-07-03 13:33 ` Nemo
2016-07-01 17:39 ` John Cowan
2016-07-02 15:17 ` Ronald Natalie
2016-07-03 22:07 ` Derek Fawcus
2016-07-02 23:32 ` [TUHS] Algol68 vs. C at Bell Labs Peter Jeremy
2016-06-30 15:52 ` Joerg Schilling
2016-06-30 20:47 ` Lawrence Stewart
2016-07-02 0:12 [TUHS] MS-DOS Norman Wilson
2016-07-02 1:13 ` Steve Nickolas
2016-07-02 4:52 ` Random832
2016-07-03 19:40 ` scj
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