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From: imp@bsdimp.com (Warner Losh)
Subject: [TUHS] termcap vs terminfo (was: I swear! I rtfm'ed)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2015 09:32:06 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7D77811B-8E40-4369-AB4E-513F07DDD0DB@bsdimp.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <201501061222.t06CMvTO027313@freefriends.org>

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> On Jan 6, 2015, at 5:22 AM, arnold at skeeve.com wrote:
> 
>> Peter Jeremy scripsit:
>>> But you pay for the size of $TERMCAP in every process you run.
> 
> John Cowan <cowan at mercury.ccil.org> wrote:
>> A single termcap line doesn't cost that much, less than a KB in most cases.
> 
> In 1981 terms, this has more weight. On a non-split I/D PDP-11 you only
> have 32KB to start with.  (The discussion a few weeks ago about cutting
> yacc down to size comes to mind...)
> 
> On a Vax with 2 Meg of memory, 512 bytes is a whole page, and it might
> even be paged out, and BSD on the vax didn't have copy-on-write.
> 
> ISTR that the /etc/termcap file had a comment saying something like
> "you should move the entries needed at your site to the top of this file."
> Or am I imagining it? :-)

No, you aren’t. And iirc, we moved the HP terminal entries to the
top of ours since we got a VAX 11/750, but a bunch of HP terminals
instead of DEC ones for reasons that likely involved graft and fraud
in the procurement office :)

Warner

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-01-06 16:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <mailman.125.1420128672.3354.tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org>
2015-01-01 16:21 ` Johnny Billquist
2015-01-01 17:04   ` Warner Losh
2015-01-02  1:50     ` Mary Ann Horton
2015-01-02 19:13       ` Erik E. Fair
2015-01-05  7:06         ` Peter Jeremy
2015-01-06  0:40           ` John Cowan
2015-01-06 12:22             ` arnold
2015-01-06 16:02               ` [TUHS] termcap vs terminfo Mary Ann Horton
2015-01-06 17:12                 ` arnold
2015-01-06 16:32               ` Warner Losh [this message]
2015-01-06 19:57               ` [TUHS] pdp11 UNIX memory allocation. Was: termcap vs terminfo (was: I swear! I rtfm'ed) Milo Velimirović
2015-01-06 20:01                 ` Clem Cole
2015-01-02 20:12     ` [TUHS] " Steffen Nurpmeso

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