From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net (Grant Taylor) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2017 21:25:53 -0600 Subject: [TUHS] X and NeWS history (long) In-Reply-To: <201709130301.v8D31DMZ021305@darkstar.fourwinds.com> References: <201709111649.v8BGnGTx005812@darkstar.fourwinds.com> <20170911230910.GH7819@mcvoy.com> <201709120738.v8C7ckOF007026@freefriends.org> <201709121535.v8CFZOuB015695@darkstar.fourwinds.com> <201709122211.v8CMB3pf029787@darkstar.fourwinds.com> <6C032165-08F5-47CA-A30A-AD95E69996FE@bitblocks.com> <201709130056.v8D0uCix029857@darkstar.fourwinds.com> <45369b52-ca6a-e9c8-06cd-79122d044dee@tnetconsulting.net> <201709130301.v8D31DMZ021305@darkstar.fourwinds.com> Message-ID: <7a7874dc-874c-d199-a6b1-b7e9a396be10@tnetconsulting.net> On 09/12/2017 09:01 PM, Jon Steinhart wrote: > Well, I agree that this is one area in which X does OK. I also like how X will allow me to have windows from remote programs mixed with local programs and does not require a full desktop. (A feature that RDP has gotten in the last 10 ? years.) > Although, being a command line sort of guy, I'm happy to ssh into a machine > and run commands. I try to avoid non-scriptable GUIs. I completely agree. > I don't administer headless machines, and stay very far away from Oracle. > I'm not sure what their installer does, but usually running X requires an > installed and running system. Sadly my use case what proving to a ... questionable DBA that things could work as directed, despite his objections the other way. Since I was not familiar with Oracle RAC and Oracle DB, I needed to go the front door route, taking screen shots and documenting each and everything I did. (Partially for political reasons.) Yes, you do need an installed (base) OS with some dependencies. Thankfully you don't need a full window manager or the bloat that comes with things like Gnome / KDE. > So since a number of people have justified networked graphics we're back > to the question of what an API should look like. At a very high level, > it needs to be modular because there is no one thing that gets done with > graphics, and there's no reason to carry a huge API around just because > you need a small part of it. In particular, there is a distinction > between applications that spit out geometry and those that spit out mass > quantities of pixel/voxel data. "voxel"? I'll have to look that up. > Also, because of the way that this discussion started, I'm not sure whether > or not resource management (windows, keyboard, etc.) falls under the > umbrella of graphics. I expect that they should be included in such discussions. After all, they are intimately related. GUI applications are of questionable value if you can't interact with them. -- Grant. . . . unix || die -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 3717 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature URL: