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From: Aron Insinga <aki@insinga.com>
To: "Charles H Sauer (he/him)" <sauer@technologists.com>, tuhs@tuhs.org
Subject: [TUHS] Re: mental architecture models, Anyone ever heard of teaching a case study of Initial Unix?
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2024 17:39:39 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7e4a089d-038d-4054-b315-ff41c8396a47@insinga.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <abe866a1-9b42-4f33-9007-38803a80a95f@technologists.com>

See https://www.cs.tufts.edu/~nr/cs257/archive/ronald-brender/bliss.pdf

C allowed writing Unix with a limited amount of assembly code, but CMU's 
original BLISS-10 was designed to write an operating system with *no* 
outside assembly code.  Features like the 'MACHOP' (machine operation) 
builtin function made use of  the orthogonality of the PDP-10 
instruction format to execute machine-specific instructions in-line.  
(cf. the 'asm' extensions in some implementations of C.)  The PDP-10's 
36-bit word allowed single-precision floating point numbers to fit in 
machine words, so it had infix operators for both integer and 
single-precision floating point operations (which I presume were 
adequate for an operating system).

When DEC chose an implementation language, they knew about C but it had 
not yet escaped from Bell Labs.  PL/I was considered, but there were 
questions of whether or not it would be suitable for a minicomputer.  On 
the other hand, by choosing BLISS, DEC could start with the BLISS-11 
cross compiler running on the PDP-10, which is described in
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Design_of_an_Optimizing_Compiler
BLISS-11 and DEC's Common BLISS had changes necessitated by different 
word lengths and architectures, including different routine linkages 
such as INTERRUPT, access to machine-specific operations such as INSQTI, 
and multiple-precision floating point operations using builtin functions 
which used the addresses of data instead of the values.

In order to port VMS to new architectures, DEC/HP/VSI retargeted and 
ported the BLISS compilers to new architectures.

What I find amazing is that they also turned the VAX MACRO assembly 
language (in which some of the VMS operating system was written) into a 
portable implementation language by 'compiling' the high-level CISC VAX 
instructions (and addressing modes) into sequences of RISC 
instructions.  I believe that this is similar to how modern CPU chips 
dynamically translate x86_64 instructions (or whatever) to an internal 
RISC format.

- Aron

(Disclaimer: I worked at DEC for a long time and VSI for a short time, 
but I wasn't responsible for the above work.)


On 7/6/24 17:32, Charles H Sauer (he/him) wrote:
> On 7/6/2024 3:56 PM, John R Levine wrote:
>> On Sat, 6 Jul 2024, Clem Cole wrote:
>>> Other systems programming languages followed, BCPL, BLISS, PL/360 
>>> and even
>>> B before C.
>> The original version of BLISS was only for the PDP-10.  DEC 
>> retargeted it to the PDP-11 and VAX, but I think that was after Unix 
>> moved to the Interdata and possibly other machines.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-07-08 21:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 95+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-07-03  4:51 [TUHS] " sjenkin
2024-07-03  5:02 ` [TUHS] " Al Kossow
2024-07-03  6:46   ` arnold
2024-07-03 14:04   ` Clem Cole
2024-07-03 15:22     ` Theodore Ts'o
2024-07-03 15:36       ` Larry McVoy
2024-07-03 14:59   ` Marc Rochkind
2024-07-03 23:35     ` G. Branden Robinson
2024-07-04 13:00       ` Marc Donner
2024-07-03  9:04 ` A. P. Garcia
2024-07-03 15:17 ` Vincenzo Nicosia
2024-07-03 15:35   ` Marc Donner
2024-07-03 17:39     ` Jon Forrest
2024-07-03 17:49       ` segaloco via TUHS
2024-07-03 18:16         ` Erik E. Fair
2024-07-03 19:58         ` Rich Salz
2024-07-03 23:15     ` Dave Horsfall
2024-07-03 23:23       ` Marc Donner
2024-07-03 23:26       ` Rik Farrow
2024-07-04 23:26         ` Dave Horsfall
2024-07-03 15:37   ` Al Kossow
2024-07-03 16:01     ` Al Kossow
2024-07-03 16:05       ` Warner Losh
2024-07-03 23:29   ` Marc Rochkind
2024-07-03 23:50     ` G. Branden Robinson
2024-07-04  8:23     ` Vincenzo Nicosia
2024-07-04 20:34       ` Nevin Liber
2024-07-04 20:44         ` segaloco via TUHS
2024-07-04 21:41           ` sjenkin
     [not found]             ` <7AC009E5-C985-44AD-A55E-E0BFC05CDD31@serissa.com>
2024-07-05  9:41               ` Steve Jenkin
2024-07-05  9:47               ` Steve Jenkin
2024-07-05  0:03         ` Stuff Received
2024-07-05  0:12           ` Larry McVoy
2024-07-05  2:24             ` Adam Thornton
2024-07-05  2:42               ` Bakul Shah via TUHS
2024-07-05  7:13                 ` arnold
2024-07-05  7:42                   ` Bakul Shah via TUHS
2024-07-05  8:20                     ` arnold
2024-07-05  8:52                       ` G. Branden Robinson
2024-07-05  7:36               ` Dave Horsfall
2024-07-05 10:18                 ` Peter Yardley
2024-07-05 21:38                   ` [TUHS] Re: mental architecture models, " John Levine
2024-07-05 21:49                     ` Larry McVoy
2024-07-05 22:08                       ` Charles H Sauer (he/him)
2024-07-05 22:24                         ` Larry McVoy
2024-07-05 23:17                       ` John Levine
2024-07-06 12:52                         ` sjenkin
2024-07-06 14:02                           ` John R Levine
2024-07-06 15:58                           ` Clem Cole
2024-07-06 20:56                             ` John R Levine
2024-07-06 21:32                               ` Charles H Sauer (he/him)
2024-07-06 23:46                                 ` Peter Yardley
2024-07-07 17:43                                   ` James Frew
2024-07-07  1:39                                 ` John Levine
2024-07-07  3:26                                   ` [TUHS] Re: PL.8 [was " Charles H Sauer (he/him)
2024-07-08 21:39                                 ` Aron Insinga [this message]
2024-07-08 22:14                                   ` [TUHS] " Paul Winalski
2024-07-09  1:04                                     ` Aron Insinga
2024-07-08 22:17                                   ` Rik Farrow
2024-07-09  0:08                                     ` Adam Thornton
2024-07-09  2:40                                       ` Dave Horsfall
2024-07-09  2:43                                         ` Warner Losh
2024-07-09  4:23                                         ` Adam Thornton
2024-07-09  5:06                                         ` Aron Insinga
2024-07-07  5:33                         ` arnold
2024-07-05 22:10                     ` Dan Cross
2024-07-07 22:00                   ` [TUHS] " Dave Horsfall
2024-07-07 23:28                     ` Brad Spencer
2024-07-08  6:17                       ` Dave Horsfall
2024-07-08  6:27                       ` Lars Brinkhoff
2024-07-08  6:51                         ` Dave Horsfall
2024-07-08  9:36                           ` David Arnold
2024-07-08  6:59                       ` arnold
2024-07-08 13:22                         ` Larry McVoy
2024-07-08 15:37                           ` Al Kossow
2024-07-08 17:22                             ` Tom Lyon
2024-07-08 17:04                           ` Clem Cole
2024-07-08 15:28                         ` Brad Spencer
2024-07-08 15:33                           ` Al Kossow
2024-07-09 22:54                         ` Dave Horsfall
2024-07-10 13:18                           ` Chet Ramey via TUHS
2024-07-10 14:29                             ` John Levine
2024-07-08  0:21                     ` John Levine
2024-07-08  0:35                       ` Dave Horsfall
2024-07-08 12:29                     ` Peter Yardley
2024-07-05 16:40                 ` Jon Steinhart
2024-07-06 13:20                   ` Dave Horsfall
2024-07-05  0:08       ` Marc Rochkind
2024-07-04  1:53 ` John Levine
2024-07-04  2:59   ` segaloco via TUHS
2024-07-04  6:53     ` Rob Pike
2024-07-04 15:07       ` Larry McVoy
2024-07-07 13:57 [TUHS] Re: mental architecture models, " Noel Chiappa
2024-07-07 16:43 ` John Levine
2024-07-10  2:20 Douglas McIlroy

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