From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 140289ed for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2019 00:49:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id B20B8AF372; Tue, 1 Jan 2019 10:49:20 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83368AF363; Tue, 1 Jan 2019 10:49:05 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b="BT+iUekE"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 2A742AF363; Tue, 1 Jan 2019 10:49:03 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-oi1-f172.google.com (mail-oi1-f172.google.com [209.85.167.172]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1601D94140 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2019 10:49:02 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-oi1-f172.google.com with SMTP id i6so22731756oia.6 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2018 16:49:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:content-language; bh=TGfqkhRG3laqE+rf7EONGUY0GGYJf061bnjjW2jktKg=; b=BT+iUekEcdhJVrA7GRw3hI9F2NjAb8kUjWghRUwFhiO69/xt6WF8f1golNq5bYle+r o49qq79e/dCObrEL/gUtthGkm8Ppn0b8D4SP65zfEQlH7lIrU/+1dIwtHvPsbvehuPvo VKGPLyXwmGiKbp5DlVFTOQRUpB/7+bj11uGxG7qy3vdMfjjzWuMO/jJJGaHFNOKBaAnN w4zOzf/N7HK5zjYAS25cZgN1MAnNkr9nrBkcAD5wQiQ0DMxwDNdhByAT1hTq4H1yyopz DWGwmsHqInxWndcwsNxRBZy2xR3REYo6wdIHuGgwZ6iZlgKcVz1GlgpFcoOEe/se7/Sh mwNA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding :content-language; bh=TGfqkhRG3laqE+rf7EONGUY0GGYJf061bnjjW2jktKg=; b=I1TtYVOMt85xXZq7d2vTIjCVOc2dfBlp/pFU4wa8LJlglvRlq+z+gYJ7edF6IFDwJi gZeEYcZjxgCiax+AJaUOQKhGYLO9KD0M+YqzrKRO6QVTsf7wLNPcYQm1e/3NtPqMuWd/ 2UsZISshMLIR2XEPBAjWon8v3OWvqiiQ3SoXKhW7mryX0vkG1jTILpkU1IiqXQNADryP +xqWgk4WilhkyknhMcHR7Ymb+XZz2gFlo5oBqUiX6076gGDdPwIE2rJb5lYvqKcUM71x 5BHJLH9XhCMcwGcWRZlpBUrA6vyIjw1MVX5lORWcqAfiqvxyIE+CKEu7bJ2EP1eO7pbp PamQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AA+aEWYHrrbl7Im+PX/9Hcqf1JuuNq87DmBwI4PolGhuuxn3kDvwkwEV +ENpVFgQCalJjH+qLXJRuQH//e24 X-Google-Smtp-Source: AFSGD/X8BQB33A1+B7mElJQovAcJ7yZ5aJ7Y0O21Ry0OTUqfvQHAy15TzRP67YnEW6X7k5Ee2xsoOg== X-Received: by 2002:a05:6808:13:: with SMTP id u19mr26781949oic.57.1546303740980; Mon, 31 Dec 2018 16:49:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from terra.local ([107.242.112.29]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id l6sm31747745otk.51.2018.12.31.16.48.59 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 31 Dec 2018 16:48:59 -0800 (PST) To: Larry McVoy References: <5f8d3f32-3cd1-7dbe-6e59-25b8c577f9f9@gmail.com> <20190101003916.GB15969@mcvoy.com> From: Will Senn Message-ID: <7e9ef70d-dfcf-de1a-7711-c0c2007baf90@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2018 18:48:58 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.3.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20190101003916.GB15969@mcvoy.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [TUHS] building world using sh run in /usr/source in v6 X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS main list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" On 12/31/18 6:39 PM, Larry McVoy wrote: > On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 06:29:11PM -0600, Will Senn wrote: >> cp a.out /etc/init >> Can't create new file. >> >> A little digging around points to the problem - some files are owned by >> daemon, others by root: >> >> -rwsrwsr--?? 1 daemon???? 3246 Oct 10 12:54 cron >> -rwxrwxr--?? 1 root???????? 2054 May 13 23:50 init > This smells like a file system that is corrupted (I used to hack UFS > a few decades back). > > Can you do a > > ls -l | od -c > > because I want to see what those ?? are. > > And cron is really 3246 bytes? And 2054 for init? Don't those seem > too small? Linux's cron is 44472 and that's with shared libs, I'm > assuming that v6 didn't have shared libs, it's all static. Hi Larry, I'm not sure where the ? came from, but I think that's just the email, here is init: ls -l /etc/init|od -c 0000000  -  r  w  x  r  w  x  r  -  -        1     r  o 0000020  o  t                 2  0  5  4     M  a  y 0000040  1  3     2  3  :  5  0     /  e  t  c  /  i  n 0000060  i  t \n \0 0000063 ls -l /etc/init|od 0000000 071055 074167 073562 071170 026455 020040 020061 067562 0000020 072157 020040 020040 031040 032460 020064 060515 020171 0000040 031461 031040 035063 030065 027440 072145 027543 067151 0000060 072151 000012 0000063 As for how big they are, that's just the beauty of v6, everything is super small. Linux is blubbery in comparison. Will -- GPG Fingerprint: 68F4 B3BD 1730 555A 4462 7D45 3EAA 5B6D A982 BAAF