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From: dscherrer@solar.stanford.edu (Deborah Scherrer)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2017 17:56:58 -0800
Subject: [TUHS] ARPAnet now 4 nodes
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This was looooong before Cliff Stoll.  I worked at LBL for 14 years, in 
the Computer Science & Applied Math (CSAM) group.   Don't remember the 
exact dates this was happening, but something like late 60s - early 
70s.   I remember discussing with Dennis Hall the report back to DARPA 
that emphasized no value for data transfer but high value for 
communications.   (Unfortunately, Dennis is gone now.) We even had a 
"demonstration" for DARPA.  However, the nodes we needed in a couple 
places weren't in those places yet, so we "simulated" a response by 
having something in, say, San Francisco receive an internet request, 
read it with their eyes, then type in a response.  ;-)    At least DARPA 
folks were told this was a simulation.

Deborah

On 12/4/17 5:38 PM, Jon Forrest wrote:
>
>
> On 12/4/2017 5:05 PM, Noel Chiappa wrote:
>>      > From: Deborah Scherrer
>>
>>      > the initial research on the arpanet was done at Lawrence 
>> Berkeley Lab
>
> I'm also skeptical about this claim, although it could depend on
> what "initial research" means. I believe LBL did work on early TCP
> implementations, the conversion from NCP to TCP, and the early "software
> tools" movement. (I was there for a year in 1988 and had the office next
> to Cliff Stoll when he was doing the Cookoo's Egg work, but that's
> another story).
>
> Jon
>