From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 1600 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2020 19:09:10 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 15 Jun 2020 19:09:10 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 0B1E49C72E; Tue, 16 Jun 2020 05:09:05 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EBF59C24C; Tue, 16 Jun 2020 05:08:36 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 6561D9C24C; Tue, 16 Jun 2020 05:08:33 +1000 (AEST) Received: from junk.nocrew.org (junk.nocrew.org [51.15.56.219]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0AF429C246 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2020 05:08:33 +1000 (AEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=junk.nocrew.org) by junk.nocrew.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jkuT9-0004EA-5a; Mon, 15 Jun 2020 19:08:31 +0000 From: Lars Brinkhoff To: Clem Cole Organization: nocrew References: <20200614225208.GB6122@minnie.tuhs.org> <7wsgewophe.fsf@junk.nocrew.org> <10160f8c-62a3-014b-43a1-65025f27cde5@mhorton.net> <7wr1ugmix8.fsf@junk.nocrew.org> Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2020 19:08:31 +0000 In-Reply-To: <7wr1ugmix8.fsf@junk.nocrew.org> (Lars Brinkhoff's message of "Mon, 15 Jun 2020 15:45:55 +0000") Message-ID: <7wh7vcm9jk.fsf@junk.nocrew.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: [TUHS] Fwd: Origins and life of the pg pager X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS main list , Michael Siegel Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" > Clem Cole wrote: >> I think Eric arrived later than Dan (maybe a year later), but was also >> ex-MIT, and he too had used/seen --MORE-- on ITS as Dan had. But I was >> under the impression Eric started over. > That's not what Dan writes (see below), but I'll ask him to confirm his > version. He responded and asked me to post his reply to the mailing list: As described in https://danhalbert.org/more.html, I wrote the original version of more. It was only a page or two or code, and was meant to replace the dysfunctional cr3. It went into raw mode so it could read a space as a "next page" character, but otherwise didn't care about what kind of terminal it was on. (The ADM-3's (not 3A's) were barely a terminal.) Clem Cole's timeline is a bit off. Eric Shienbrood, Geoff Peck, and I all arrived at Berkeley at the same time in fall 1978 as CS grad students, and became friends (along with some other folks). After I wrote the first version, I did not have time to continue to working on it, so Eric picked it up and added many more features. My contribution is that I had the original idea (to replace cr3) and coined the name, and made the very first version. I am grateful to Eric, Geoff, and others taking it much further with many more features. I am still in touch with Eric, and will ask him to see what he has to say. We are both still alive so I appreciate Lars getting in touch with me to verify. I also wrote a hack less as a joke, which was more except that it scrolled up the screen rather than down . I think it was Bill Joy who then wrote another less that paged from the end of the file (and also scrolled up the screen).