From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 4047 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2021 18:06:39 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 7 Apr 2021 18:06:39 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 3354C9CB08; Thu, 8 Apr 2021 04:06:25 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0422A9C73A; Thu, 8 Apr 2021 04:06:02 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 975FF9C723; Thu, 8 Apr 2021 04:04:34 +1000 (AEST) Received: from hop.toad.com (75-101-100-43.dsl.static.fusionbroadband.com [75.101.100.43]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3601F9C722 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 2021 04:04:31 +1000 (AEST) Received: from hop.toad.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hop.toad.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id 137I4TRl000841; Wed, 7 Apr 2021 11:04:29 -0700 To: Paul Ruizendaal In-reply-to: <2313BFBA-8795-497F-AD46-46CCFC0E6E6C@planet.nl> References: <2313BFBA-8795-497F-AD46-46CCFC0E6E6C@planet.nl> Comments: In-reply-to Paul Ruizendaal message dated "Wed, 07 Apr 2021 10:20:43 +0200." Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2021 11:04:29 -0700 Message-ID: <840.1617818669@hop.toad.com> From: John Gilmore Subject: Re: [TUHS] PC Unix X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS main list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" Paul Ruizendaal wrote: > Although some sources suggest that going with the 68000 and/or Unix were considered, it would have left the new machine without an instant base of affordable small business applications. Speed to market was a leading paradigm for the PC's design team. Sun was making 68000-based systems in 1981, before the IBM PC was created. But they only sold in small volumes, maybe a few thousand systems per year. What I remember hearing was that IBM asked Motorola if they could make 250,000 68000 chips for the PC's first year. They said no. Intel said yes to making 250,000 8088 chips, so they got the business. It's great that Intel is finally losing the edge that they once had in chip fabrication, because it was married to such rotten taste in computer architecture. Perhaps over the next 30 years the industry can finally evolve to less insane designs. (Even AMD is better than Intel at architecture; they created a 64-bit x86 that was so reasonable that Intel ended up adopting it.) John