From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 22982 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2021 07:04:58 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 11 Feb 2021 07:04:58 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 27EA09C203; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 17:04:55 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62E8A95074; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 17:04:22 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="key not found in DNS" (0-bit key; unprotected) header.d=humeweb.com header.i=@humeweb.com header.b="cHByqxGQ"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 4F66C9503E; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 17:04:18 +1000 (AEST) X-Greylist: delayed 1328 seconds by postgrey-1.36 at minnie.tuhs.org; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 17:04:17 AEST Received: from gateway2.unifiedlayer.com (gateway2.unifiedlayer.com [66.147.246.89]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C3AA494F19 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 17:04:17 +1000 (AEST) Received: from cm3.websitewelcome.com (unknown [108.167.139.23]) by gateway2.unifiedlayer.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E36B1200CFC18 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 00:42:08 -0600 (CST) Received: from dallas136.arvixeshared.com ([23.91.70.4]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id A5g0lJhskPqL9A5g0l9R2s; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 00:42:08 -0600 X-Authority-Reason: nr=8 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=humeweb.com ; s=default; h=To:References:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc:Date: In-Reply-To:From:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID :Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To: Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe :List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=gNSukOFr2y9MqrG9fCtA6Doii1bLw04K1po6PDStd/U=; b=cHByqxGQiVFs0v+hgZTIu0KTcY qJm/H+gdlMNEPD7eoPFxqTlAoLeunHi2qbZYscnqEe4oCgeSHTxR72bj3XJEPjFDKejDQkh6awPtA DoK2Wt85fl2I8cKS+t4EHBPmauN/h9cXRHI0AXQEOo3OP5L2ZCnuWFfeuRqE90IoNTG8=; Received: from 99-98-248-85.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net ([99.98.248.85]:59363 helo=[192.168.2.77]) by dallas136.arvixeshared.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.91) (envelope-from ) id 1lA5g0-004Kxq-IG; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 00:42:08 -0600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.4\)) From: Andrew Hume In-Reply-To: <20210211025253.GX13701@mcvoy.com> Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 22:42:07 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <8412062A-2360-4464-B834-2567AEA69C0D@humeweb.com> References: <8b580c46-ecfb-9383-ed43-08108b3ee7bf@tllds.com> <20201130163753.GB18187@mcvoy.com> <202102102236.11AMann01820861@darkstar.fourwinds.com> <4be538bd-a4ee-4287-4d61-9cc6e18c061b@mhorton.net> <20210211025253.GX13701@mcvoy.com> To: Larry McVoy X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.4) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - dallas136.arvixeshared.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - minnie.tuhs.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - humeweb.com X-BWhitelist: no X-Source-IP: 99.98.248.85 X-Source-L: No X-Exim-ID: 1lA5g0-004Kxq-IG X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: 99-98-248-85.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net ([192.168.2.77]) [99.98.248.85]:59363 X-Source-Auth: andrew@humeweb.com X-Email-Count: 1 X-Source-Cap: YWh1bWU7YWh1bWU7ZGFsbGFzMTM2LmFydml4ZXNoYXJlZC5jb20= X-Local-Domain: yes Subject: Re: [TUHS] troff was not so widely usable X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS main list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" there was actually a weird fuss about the Merganthaler typesetter. Ken figured out how the fonts were encoded and so we had the raw outline = data for all the fonts (they were gorgeous!). this enabled us to add in special = characters like the peter weinberger face. ken wanted to do the right thing and tried to license the fonts from = Merganthaler, but we had endless discussions where Ken would say =E2=80=9Cwe know how = the fonts are encoded, can we license them?=E2=80=9D and the sales person would say =E2=80=9Cno = you can=E2=80=99t; they=E2=80=99re secret=E2=80=9D, and so on. we=E2=80=99d even show them the peter face but to no avail. = so we kinda flew under the radar for that (but we tried!). the typesetter itself was entertaining; if i recall correctly, the = software ran on a 8in floppy and Ken wrote a B compiler/run time system for the computer inside. andrew=