From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 6644 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2023 21:00:38 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 19 Jan 2023 21:00:38 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7E58424C2; Fri, 20 Jan 2023 07:00:14 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-pg1-f176.google.com (mail-pg1-f176.google.com [209.85.215.176]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 18848424BE for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2023 07:00:10 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-pg1-f176.google.com with SMTP id s67so2569612pgs.3 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2023 13:00:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cfcl.com; s=google; h=to:references:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:date:in-reply-to :from:subject:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=WGcg/p4jBUFHjfrApgH348Zz7JPwxW4RwaYit5xSF40=; b=QHUXNq9iXQf3VRhP2cU0Ve2zbfzy7fqwBbLw5H2gzUxAW73FIi+bFW1nTGR56TDc5z 48ot4FWJ34+QI7+5+Wef/F6TFuQaBuRxohTPKnod73Q3LFkqQgn8+6zuGC9NQILcIlnC sBCCuqQjhrSimlWcHLiU8+U/am5a9DC1sp1z7DXXx2Bg6lbScZWPZaaN1LeUA8Eohrfv 9qhcxapVmOpeiYznmTjwEoD0BXPzyYgSoytjx5Dpb0H8Whhc0ULNSaH7h9bMRmYMqQQP F0qdP2yGHB0d85LUVqi2h7lG2nbfcqLGSrHznmu3aBOSTGq1jAdPf5kpmzUPJS3RI0Qo dWDQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=to:references:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:date:in-reply-to :from:subject:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject :date:message-id:reply-to; bh=WGcg/p4jBUFHjfrApgH348Zz7JPwxW4RwaYit5xSF40=; b=128K/nOw377+ryqFOB2ETxJLAvZziR9IYMaRgVOJC0tAo0grEW4ZJi84sKA7bRqUcB S1KzspMyHOj1ALmIMeB9pfYSpDgWD5I2FTNpYS9oF2Z9Piv+KiIFvEnx13uCDSxVL86R J1Fxi98mIAHyLtsrSVRrj/vmGQfo07xu6GzsHlvxd4vlSchTJwElLH3zdAMoBUuCLT6D zYfKUWUK7fNIpVHsBNN6pu5iUOdfAPPJxu3ACCkDxoBsT8mBe6jUnQIomfBqQDERGigR OPCPxU0VLyHS+3fVtfpXtIpHvNSUelyK3yxjvH8QcApk5ow1+rOQxPHGBK/1TbJbdxWR zgjw== X-Gm-Message-State: AFqh2kok+yX5wttLxM4z9AQ04Y4s2BN5X6QUYduQmr0Vxy+SdygLXsPF ozJz71okw9bjVKwFnQAfjrx1GxYQWlJYhFQ2 X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMrXdXt/nyrYY1MqMNOYw9vTbxz837v8CdQIQrwo6+11y9XhPjeikNe6IQZNuoBwTOlXDCxlLhl04A== X-Received: by 2002:aa7:9461:0:b0:57f:ef11:acf6 with SMTP id t1-20020aa79461000000b0057fef11acf6mr12507839pfq.8.1674161949383; Thu, 19 Jan 2023 12:59:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtpclient.apple ([50.125.55.227]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id z13-20020aa79e4d000000b0058bc1a13ffcsm11089516pfq.25.2023.01.19.12.59.08 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 19 Jan 2023 12:59:08 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3696.120.41.1.1\)) From: Rich Morin In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2023 12:59:05 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <85349B1E-A388-4090-BB68-DD32349B18BE@cfcl.com> References: <202301180943.30I9hrOw030485@freefriends.org> <202301181513.30IFDDUJ015224@freefriends.org> <20230118151446.GD2964@mcvoy.com> <20230118161959.GE2964@mcvoy.com> <0882D9CA-FAC8-4EC6-BA82-CE1D457423E5@iitbombay.org> To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3696.120.41.1.1) Message-ID-Hash: CIHELORDVUEDROBECUFJIJBIUCAZBBEH X-Message-ID-Hash: CIHELORDVUEDROBECUFJIJBIUCAZBBEH X-MailFrom: rdm@cfcl.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: The death of general purpose computers, was - AIX moved into maintainance mode List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Several projects are attempting to target cell phones with (mostly) = Linux variants (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_for_mobile_devices). = Most of these are focused on particular (or even custom) hardware, but = at least one has the explicit goal of supporting "old" hardware: > We are sick of not receiving updates shortly after buying new phones. = Sick of the walled gardens deeply integrated into Android and iOS. = That's why we are developing a sustainable, privacy and security focused = free software mobile OS that is modeled after traditional Linux = distributions. With privilege separation in mind. Let's keep our devices = useful and safe until they physically break! https://postmarketos.org https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PostmarketOS I'm particularly interested in this project, because it might let a few = billion (!) retired cell phones be used as portable computing and = communication devices. Here is a current snapshot of their porting = progress: https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Devices -r > On Jan 19, 2023, at 12:09, segaloco via TUHS wrote: > ... I want to be excited about the idea of potentially having a = powerful computer with me just about anywhere, but at the same time, if = that power is significantly throttled (see Game "Optimizing" = Service...), and full root access to the device is not granted easily, = then it's not any more useful to me than a kiosk at Walmart. ...