From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id f01ea62a for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2019 01:51:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 6F2AFA2049; Sun, 6 Jan 2019 11:51:57 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B90F2A1C5C; Sun, 6 Jan 2019 11:51:21 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (1024-bit key; unprotected) header.d=eschatologist.net header.i=@eschatologist.net header.b="CcLAIxtw"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id A7824A1C5C; Sun, 6 Jan 2019 11:51:18 +1000 (AEST) X-Greylist: delayed 450 seconds by postgrey-1.36 at minnie.tuhs.org; Sun, 06 Jan 2019 11:51:17 AEST Received: from bird.maple.relay.mailchannels.net (bird.maple.relay.mailchannels.net [23.83.214.17]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A39A8A1C50 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2019 11:51:17 +1000 (AEST) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|cmhanson@eschatologist.net Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAB6D3E3CAC; Sun, 6 Jan 2019 01:43:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a24.g.dreamhost.com (unknown [100.96.33.121]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 6A8603E3896; Sun, 6 Jan 2019 01:43:46 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|cmhanson@eschatologist.net Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a24.g.dreamhost.com (pop.dreamhost.com [64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.16.2); Sun, 06 Jan 2019 01:43:46 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|cmhanson@eschatologist.net X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost X-Grain-Vacuous: 66a690936ac29096_1546739026544_2493164962 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1546739026543:4003006652 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1546739026543 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a24.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a24.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07C597F912; Sat, 5 Jan 2019 17:43:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=eschatologist.net; h= content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; s= eschatologist.net; bh=AEhNJ2JxdiinahyAZCzf45xWLAc=; b=CcLAIxtw0p yEyE/97DLasElw5752og5dTnSkb1GK2Xb15a/NElRJOgiZYaO3h6wJiXoa9uOjf2 r7gge914SCbgiJlCv2BnX8VQ3svTRpHz5F2NXwhV5OIrWngCqU76Y25NOuBwKo80 fBi3PO4zzBlV1HzxdOTLzCTE95nAGRonM= Received: from [10.0.1.12] (c-76-126-113-109.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [76.126.113.109]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: cmhanson@eschatologist.net) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a24.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5B31D7F91E; Sat, 5 Jan 2019 17:43:45 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a24 From: Chris Hanson X-Mailer: iPad Mail (16C50) In-Reply-To: <20190105153133.GA24497@mcvoy.com> Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2019 17:43:43 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <857E28A8-A1A7-48DD-A60D-05FADD93C6C5@eschatologist.net> References: <201901050226.x052QigU089781@tahoe.cs.Dartmouth.EDU> <22BA2F17-310F-4396-A35A-23E2D1130018@ronnatalie.com> <20190105153133.GA24497@mcvoy.com> To: Larry McVoy X-VR-OUT-STATUS: OK X-VR-OUT-SCORE: -100 X-VR-OUT-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedtledrvdeggdefkecutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucggtfgfnhhsuhgsshgtrhhisggvpdfftffgtefojffquffvnecuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmdenucfjughrpegtggfuhffojgffgffkfhfvsehtqhhmtdhhtdejnecuhfhrohhmpeevhhhrihhsucfjrghnshhonhcuoegtmhhhrghnshhonhesvghstghhrghtohhlohhgihhsthdrnhgvtheqnecukfhppeejiedruddviedruddufedruddtleenucfrrghrrghmpehmohguvgepshhmthhppdhhvghloheplgdutddrtddruddruddvngdpihhnvghtpeejiedruddviedruddufedruddtledprhgvthhurhhnqdhprghthhepvehhrhhishcujfgrnhhsohhnuceotghmhhgrnhhsohhnsegvshgthhgrthholhhoghhishhtrdhnvghtqedpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpegtmhhhrghnshhonhesvghstghhrghtohhlohhgihhsthdrnhgvthdpnhhrtghpthhtohepthhuhhhssehtuhhhshdrohhrghenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedt Subject: Re: [TUHS] Isaacson v Unix X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" On Jan 5, 2019, at 7:31 AM, Larry McVoy wrote: >=20 > +1. RMS always talked big but the real work was done by other people. > GCC was Tiemann at Sun and then at Cygnus, groff was James Clark, > etc. I think RMS hacked on emacs but not much else. Which I thought was originally derived from Unipress emacs (Gosmacs), and wa= s why old source code used to be hard to find. =E2=80=94 Chris