From: Charles H Sauer <sauer@technologists.com>
To: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org
Subject: [TUHS] one element of one of M factions of N companies [Re: Amdahl UTS, AIX/370, AIX/ESA
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 16:11:11 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <86352c85-1b06-6035-de4a-5b5a64f1cf98@technologists.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAC20D2PNgQFLxjx7eUK-Q7BVL-5xSyx2JUk46oTSV=wekAg1eg@mail.gmail.com>
Clem says today "It was then I realized IBM was N different companies,
each competing with each other." He's said that to me before and I then
responded "Actually, it was more like M competing factions within N
competing companies."
It has been illuminating, surprising, but not shocking, the last week of
so, to learn from from posts here, that AIX/370 was hard to get and
mostly a university offering. What we (AIX people associated with RT/PC
and then RS/6000) were told was that "everybody", especially Federal
customers, wanted what became known as TCF (the original Locus work) for
370 and PS/2. I remember one Federal Systems Division person who seemed
especially effective as a Locus advocate. I'd always assumed AIX/370 and
AIX PS/2 became more available than reported here, but I left IBM before
they were released.
Enumerating factions/companies, just regarding AIX & Unix, there were
the Federal Systems faction/company, the academic factions/company
(primarily two factions, BSD & TCF, in Palo Alto), the PS/2
faction/company, the Rochester System/38->AS/400 faction/company, the
Austin development lab, several Research locations (primarily Yorktown), ...
And in LCC there were the firewalled TCF/TNC entities.
It would be interesting to know more from the TCF folks at LCC. With
Jerry's passing, if there is to be further clarity on what happened with
AIX/370, it would probably have to come from Bruce Walker or Greg Thiel.
I don't think I've had contact with either since I left IBM in 1989.
CHS
On 11/5/2019 11:30 AM, Clem Cole wrote:
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 3, 2019 at 10:40 PM Gregg Levine <gregg.drwho8@gmail.com
> <mailto:gregg.drwho8@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> I've been trying to track down a copy of AIX/370 for
> that emulator, especially since I do run VM/370 Release 6 on it. One
> of the people in the community indicated that it was a product
> I was also told, for an IBM customer to try to get the product was quite
> difficult. IBM sales basically tried really hard to not provide it and
> you had to know about it and know you to ask to get it. Charlie may
> know more, but he was working on AIX/RS-6000 which as has been pointed
> out was a separate code base.
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Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2019-11-03 21:05 [TUHS] " Kevin Bowling
2019-11-03 23:29 ` Dennis Boone
2019-11-04 0:06 ` Kevin Bowling
2019-11-04 1:29 ` Dennis Boone
2019-11-04 1:58 ` Kevin Bowling
2019-11-04 3:39 ` Gregg Levine
2019-11-04 4:49 ` Kevin Bowling
2019-11-04 15:32 ` Adam Thornton
2019-11-05 16:21 ` Ronald Natalie
2019-11-05 18:04 ` Kevin Bowling
2019-11-05 19:22 ` ron
2019-11-05 17:30 ` Clem Cole
2019-11-05 18:07 ` Kevin Bowling
2019-11-05 18:15 ` Clem Cole
2019-11-05 19:03 ` Christopher Browne
2019-11-05 19:12 ` Kevin Bowling
2019-11-05 19:26 ` SPC
2019-11-05 19:28 ` SPC
2019-11-05 20:26 ` Kevin Bowling
2019-11-05 20:10 ` Clem Cole
2019-11-05 20:42 ` Kevin Bowling
2019-11-05 21:11 ` Clem Cole
2019-11-05 22:11 ` Charles H Sauer [this message]
2019-11-06 0:06 ` [TUHS] one element of one of M factions of N companies [Re: " Theodore Y. Ts'o
2019-11-06 3:36 ` Charles H. Sauer
2019-11-06 7:59 ` [TUHS] AOS and IBM/RT " SPC
2019-11-06 15:51 ` Charles H Sauer
2019-11-07 22:40 ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2019-11-08 4:39 ` Jason Stevens
2019-11-21 6:26 ` Al Kossow
2019-11-21 11:58 ` Dan Cross
2019-11-21 13:07 ` Brad Spencer
2019-11-21 14:19 ` Dan Cross
2019-11-21 16:16 ` Chet Ramey
2019-11-21 20:53 ` Dan Cross
2019-11-21 16:43 ` greg travis
2019-11-21 19:41 ` arnold
2019-11-21 20:21 ` Jon Steinhart
2019-11-21 17:33 ` Charles H Sauer
2019-11-21 17:36 ` Dan Cross
2019-11-21 18:11 ` Brad Spencer
2019-11-21 17:29 ` Charles H Sauer
2019-11-22 20:38 ` Al Kossow
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