From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 87c74ed4 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 22:11:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 857F79C13F; Wed, 6 Nov 2019 08:11:32 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0793693D2E; Wed, 6 Nov 2019 08:11:17 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 61B3793D2E; Wed, 6 Nov 2019 08:11:14 +1000 (AEST) Received: from rooster.satexas.com (rooster.satexas.com [207.235.90.2]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E603893D24 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2019 08:11:13 +1000 (AEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rooster.satexas.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F02D91C2ACD for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 16:11:12 -0600 (CST) Received: from rooster.satexas.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (rooster.satexas.com [127.0.0.1]) (maiad, port 10024) with ESMTP id 84040-05 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 16:11:12 -0600 (CST) Received: from [192.168.147.6] (rrcs-71-42-153-195.sw.biz.rr.com [71.42.153.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: csauer@nwhillsumc.org) by rooster.satexas.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E81F61C2ACA for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 16:11:11 -0600 (CST) To: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org References: From: Charles H Sauer Message-ID: <86352c85-1b06-6035-de4a-5b5a64f1cf98@technologists.com> Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 16:11:11 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: World Net ProMail v2.0.0 Subject: [TUHS] one element of one of M factions of N companies [Re: Amdahl UTS, AIX/370, AIX/ESA X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" Clem says today "It was then I realized IBM was N different companies, each competing with each other." He's said that to me before and I then responded "Actually, it was more like M competing factions within N competing companies." It has been illuminating, surprising, but not shocking, the last week of so, to learn from from posts here, that AIX/370 was hard to get and mostly a university offering. What we (AIX people associated with RT/PC and then RS/6000) were told was that "everybody", especially Federal customers, wanted what became known as TCF (the original Locus work) for 370 and PS/2. I remember one Federal Systems Division person who seemed especially effective as a Locus advocate. I'd always assumed AIX/370 and AIX PS/2 became more available than reported here, but I left IBM before they were released. Enumerating factions/companies, just regarding AIX & Unix, there were the Federal Systems faction/company, the academic factions/company (primarily two factions, BSD & TCF, in Palo Alto), the PS/2 faction/company, the Rochester System/38->AS/400 faction/company, the Austin development lab, several Research locations (primarily Yorktown), ... And in LCC there were the firewalled TCF/TNC entities. It would be interesting to know more from the TCF folks at LCC. With Jerry's passing, if there is to be further clarity on what happened with AIX/370, it would probably have to come from Bruce Walker or Greg Thiel. I don't think I've had contact with either since I left IBM in 1989. CHS On 11/5/2019 11:30 AM, Clem Cole wrote: > > > On Sun, Nov 3, 2019 at 10:40 PM Gregg Levine > wrote: > > I've been trying to track down a copy of AIX/370 for > that emulator, especially since I do run VM/370 Release 6 on it. One > of the people in the community indicated that it was a product > I was also told, for an IBM customer to try to get the product was quite > difficult.  IBM sales basically tried really hard to not provide it and > you had to know about it and know you to ask to get it.  Charlie may > know more, but he was working on AIX/RS-6000 which as has been pointed > out was a separate code base. -- voice: +1.512.784.7526 e-mail: sauer@technologists.com fax: +1.512.346.5240 Web: https://technologists.com/sauer/ Facebook/Google/Skype/Twitter: CharlesHSauer