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From: lars@nocrew.org (Lars Brinkhoff)
Subject: [TUHS] Un-released/internal/special UNIX versions/ports during the years?
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2017 19:40:47 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <868tosre1c.fsf@molnjunk.nocrew.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <13D1D81F-F878-4D23-922A-279AADF29CFE@tfeb.org> (Tim Bradshaw's message of "Sun, 26 Feb 2017 15:37:10 +0000")

Tim Bradshaw <tfb at tfeb.org> writes:
> There's also no real doubt that RMS was responsible for Emacs *as an
> idea* as opposed to any particular implementation (Guy Steele is I
> think the other person who might be held responsible, but I believe
> he's said that it was RMS, which is good enough for me).

Here's what they wrote about that 6 Jul 1978.

RMS:

    The work done by GLS was
      a) to consider a large number of possible command sets, and
         suggest many interesting possible commands, and
      b) to begin doing actual work (on the purifier and start-up).
         Although none of this code survived after a week or so, I might
         never have been able to start doing anything if left to myself.
         I often have trouble getting off the ground.

GLS:

    The account of my involvement given by RMS is essentially accurate.
    I started [EMACS] because I was getting tired of the kludginess of
    the TCMAC command arrangement, and saw in other editors neat
    commands that could not be fit cleanly into TECMAC.  I therefore
    decided to perform a total reorganization of the command structure,
    and carefully examine all the other existing TECO-based editors,
    such as RMODE, DOC, and the ever-popular TMACS.  Most of my work
    involved playing with assignments of commands to keys, and running
    around organizing discussions and soliciting comments.  I made an
    initial stab at a loader, and I think I invented (or re-invented)
    the notion of a compressing loader, and invented most of the
    specific conventions for the EMACS loader (such as using _ for a
    space), though these conventions were greatly refined later.  It was
    at about this point that RMS and others took over the development
    work, and did a much better job, much faster, than I could have.
    For this reason, as well as the pressure of classes and the
    maintenance of LISP, I was happy to let others take over [EMACS].
    Thus, while I provided initial impetus and much of the original
    user-level command structure, most of the development work and
    succeeding refinements is to the credit of other people.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-02-26 18:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-02-25 14:17 Arno Griffioen
2017-02-25 14:32 ` Larry McVoy
2017-02-25 16:35   ` Steve Nickolas
2017-02-25 18:11     ` Joerg Schilling
2017-02-25 18:16       ` Brantley Coile
2017-02-25 17:31   ` Clem Cole
2017-02-25 17:34     ` Charles Anthony
2017-02-25 17:36     ` Brantley Coile
2017-02-25 18:28     ` Tim Bradshaw
2017-02-27  5:08       ` Dave Horsfall
2017-02-25 17:40   ` Nemo
2017-02-25 17:43     ` Brantley Coile
2017-02-25 23:23   ` Dave Horsfall
2017-02-26 12:39     ` Noel Chiappa
2017-02-26 12:46       ` [TUHS] The size of EMACS, and what hides in kLOCs Michael Kjörling
2017-02-26 16:05         ` Nemo
2017-02-26 17:05           ` Michael Kjörling
2017-02-26 18:23             ` Tim Bradshaw
2017-02-26 19:19               ` Jim Carpenter
2017-02-26 19:39                 ` [TUHS] EMACS movemail suid root bug Michael Kjörling
     [not found]           ` <CALMnNGg3dRV0yPV1GgeqaOFG0Mb5PSNuqgPs8pLKOHYzurYEOg@mail.gmail.com>
2017-02-27  1:00             ` [TUHS] The size of EMACS, and what hides in kLOCs Nemo
2017-02-27  1:48               ` Steve Nickolas
2017-02-27  8:26                 ` Michael Kjörling
2017-02-27  1:19           ` Jason Stevens
2017-02-27  2:13             ` Nick Downing
2017-02-26 13:32       ` [TUHS] Un-released/internal/special UNIX versions/ports during the years? Tim Bradshaw
2017-02-26 14:19         ` Michael Kerpan
2017-02-26 14:54           ` Joerg Schilling
2017-02-26 15:25             ` Angelo Papenhoff
2017-02-26 15:55               ` Joerg Schilling
2017-02-26 15:37             ` Tim Bradshaw
2017-02-26 15:52               ` Joerg Schilling
2017-02-26 16:06                 ` tfb
2017-02-26 16:27                   ` Ron Natalie
2017-02-26 18:32                     ` Lars Brinkhoff
2017-02-27 16:04                       ` Tony Finch
2017-02-27 23:51                         ` Nick Downing
2017-02-26 16:22                 ` Michael Kerpan
2017-02-26 16:36                   ` Ron Natalie
2017-02-26 18:01                     ` William Pechter
2017-02-26 18:40               ` Lars Brinkhoff [this message]
2017-02-26 16:06           ` Tim Bradshaw
2017-02-26 16:30             ` Ron Natalie
2017-02-26 17:15           ` Ron Natalie
2017-02-26 17:20             ` Michael Kjörling
2017-02-26 17:23               ` Ron Natalie
2017-02-26 17:33               ` Steve Nickolas
2017-02-26 17:39                 ` Michael Kjörling
2017-02-26 17:39                 ` Michael Kerpan
2017-02-26 19:33                   ` [TUHS] roff Larry McVoy
2017-02-26 19:34                     ` Ron Natalie
2017-02-26 19:36                       ` Ron Natalie
2017-02-26 19:46                         ` Dan Cross
2017-02-26 19:41                     ` Michael Kerpan
2017-02-26 21:27                       ` Joerg Schilling
2017-02-26 21:28                         ` Joerg Schilling
2017-02-27 13:59                         ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2017-02-28 20:15       ` [TUHS] Un-released/internal/special UNIX versions/ports during the years? Dave Horsfall
2017-02-28 20:22         ` Lars Brinkhoff
2017-03-01  1:31           ` Dave Horsfall
2017-02-28 20:40         ` Jaap Akkerhuis
2017-03-01 12:45           ` Michael Kjörling
2017-02-25 14:44 ` [TUHS] Un-released/internal/special UNIX versions/ports during theyears? jsteve
2017-02-25 19:02 ` [TUHS] Un-released/internal/special UNIX versions/ports during the years? Al Kossow
2017-02-26  4:06   ` Jason Stevens
2017-03-01  4:15 ` Gregg Levine
2017-03-01  7:17   ` arnold
2017-03-01  7:45   ` Ronald Natalie
2017-03-01 11:14     ` [TUHS] Un-released/internal/special UNIX versions/ports duringthe years? jsteve
2017-03-01 14:54     ` [TUHS] Un-released/internal/special UNIX versions/ports during the years? Dan Cross
2017-03-01 15:41     ` Nemo
2017-03-01 18:17     ` Clem Cole
2017-03-02  2:13       ` Jason Stevens
2017-03-02  2:27       ` Gregg Levine

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