From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [IPv6:2600:3c01:e000:146::1]) by inbox.vuxu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBF02248A8 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2024 02:13:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A47443253; Wed, 5 Jun 2024 10:13:54 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-pj1-x102e.google.com (mail-pj1-x102e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::102e]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 64E3943240 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2024 10:13:42 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-pj1-x102e.google.com with SMTP id 98e67ed59e1d1-2c1a4192d55so1303113a91.2 for ; Tue, 04 Jun 2024 17:13:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1717546422; x=1718151222; darn=tuhs.org; h=mime-version:message-id:date:references:in-reply-to:subject:cc:to :from:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=OoMrr+XY7aLPVd/ZdxjIVoEa1oSnqFbqSEMkJ1bld6w=; b=KO4d2Jjq06EXmI0+AI26hT8obHH3/cASM701l7C4ACIba7DLjNS7sggGlSs+KP3827 fzNSmYHPj0sQZOqQRYYCEyetX5ySpS1iK2XoPAfOxK0OBGQRGzV0Ro1+CWhnyDlsHCnB eYutgsPQ1k1Zj6lyaKz0CG4VKU17HLD9+nCJRgtiAx4vUz9rp0dtHSZ8nxzE3sLXIvGT QqxhzTbeJwsD1Q/cWjHk7kDsNMVtvJXCDc0DfdmKXaco8lq1ygzXaq433+Wqz6i2oG8b pM0fmqo2tZXxqn5HosTJj/IphVpUAwzXq5Ey+FizVBtEqeTEmpSdW46k2r55F+3Hs2Qs mczg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1717546422; x=1718151222; h=mime-version:message-id:date:references:in-reply-to:subject:cc:to :from:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=OoMrr+XY7aLPVd/ZdxjIVoEa1oSnqFbqSEMkJ1bld6w=; b=IpAnVoVjb0FJoAquTSLCjRqfXTZWwL/BR7u6e9r7d735uDynmx/9qqnltA39hlTa3S PQCX1ECHQid9oOw26cqQzPYzZVtWa2MKXgYNMiTZNgviwpHD6PNdXVkCB56llNiV7PTY /vuO0R+igLimaJG997K86GmLuS9HCmMn7VktLvius6TgZIJijDjKop1CqUBkZWHclLvJ 5qktRLNZ3p6Kcjh+pcEenHKXQr/h47RGsRpV9y7caVNQJDzMRFnyPDu0q+YaXxrId9Bh uP5Co6e110qd9ifXXLaZPGix9o4QmDS4CKXkqTSU4Gil8uDOixj6S3Vg/zgZW2NuSqQa ibfQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yyp9ZRBOPEqx3CI3hvIoIlHnsiprCns//MI/hWpHHm7dbIBWUnf XGE5nbiM05Vg7j7PzAMZZjYw+G63LP0CzlxFLYIpRv7Wz2WftuBv395i/g== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IHP55CmxlJ49Oqid8GhUIuBd8UNheOHH4JSpVtTrxCXxIssfskgSqyWyczT57bUe1jYb49m9A== X-Received: by 2002:a17:90b:804:b0:2bd:f1ce:db77 with SMTP id 98e67ed59e1d1-2c27db0a203mr1117182a91.15.1717546421441; Tue, 04 Jun 2024 17:13:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([203.221.118.228]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 98e67ed59e1d1-2c28067e02esm116185a91.24.2024.06.04.17.13.40 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 04 Jun 2024 17:13:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Alexis To: Warner Losh In-Reply-To: (Warner Losh's message of "Tue, 4 Jun 2024 08:53:54 -0600") References: Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2024 10:13:37 +1000 Message-ID: <8734psfdqm.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID-Hash: XNQAMJN3IZQXEJDJC3XUCLIIB2I2WKGL X-Message-ID-Hash: XNQAMJN3IZQXEJDJC3XUCLIIB2I2WKGL X-MailFrom: flexibeast@gmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: The Unix Heritage Society X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Proliferation of book print styles List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Warner Losh writes: > What do people think of the newer markup languages like Markdown > or ASCII > Doctor? They seem more approachable than SGML or docbook, and a > bit easier > to understand, though with less control, than troff, LaTeX or > TeX. Speaking as someone who had to fight Markdown several years ago, when trying to write a converter from Markdown, and who found that programming language library authors generally seemed to assume you'd only ever want to convert to HTML ("No, we won't expose the parse tree"), this old critique by Ingo Schwarze strongly resonates with me: https://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20170304230520 Alexis.