From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 16956 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2023 16:23:34 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 26 Feb 2023 16:23:34 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 310694329F; Mon, 27 Feb 2023 02:23:30 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-wr1-f49.google.com (mail-wr1-f49.google.com [209.85.221.49]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3163243293 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2023 02:23:24 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-wr1-f49.google.com with SMTP id bv17so3868495wrb.5 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2023 08:23:24 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=mime-version:user-agent:message-id:in-reply-to:date:references :subject:cc:to:from:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=ULXfkcjue9yw0zMT6JhAhHa4/DEmSSBn/lv3qUTpQcU=; b=z4hj9+eNrGVW0UwLRdNTKvKVtPBoGu6ZqSL308XJeLgTLhuew3vgJjUNssxtGmTGHs QZP+Vq3bSgTlJ779bxeZGdUIqFLAJfpMOyL7tUdrsc67JAQrYDg5akKQZrkRbk2s7Tcd F8CNmqATu4BPoyO4JDB8G2aQ10vYh/UB14RPyMsD+XO2boRh1U5yWArLhYsjQFP0PKuA t9glpnnn+2+4u6zKiRL5svXMP9PF/3M0+ijaQlhNY9ZuHQj3SHnbAmErBIlSw1/TYxgz NjX4eIWIUXzijupHb00fR2p5hs60hfLhE6uyq90Oj/+crmnjaf6W/zo6VqdnrsTxofuT Hecw== X-Gm-Message-State: AO0yUKWb1rPAVh1LP4zrlBaNssMXtJQKuxeP8lG2IdG8hvjDene2Qu3v v9U8cyGvfay8zQdzgXfKb/k= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AK7set+8r0xzfnuGZSfs5yRZ8tPoYYzfvU1kzspoGAjw76HqaSUtJbfit7UcLlTeqp9ZLTmJevdUCw== X-Received: by 2002:adf:f7d1:0:b0:2c7:bd6:68fd with SMTP id a17-20020adff7d1000000b002c70bd668fdmr13023345wrq.47.1677428602386; Sun, 26 Feb 2023 08:23:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from rhea.home.vuxu.org ([2001:4ca0:0:f235:1e1b:b5ff:fe8a:9003]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id y2-20020a1c4b02000000b003e203681b26sm6108755wma.29.2023.02.26.08.23.21 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sun, 26 Feb 2023 08:23:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (rhea.home.vuxu.org [local]) by rhea.home.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPA id f554e11f; Sun, 26 Feb 2023 16:23:21 +0000 (UTC) From: Leah Neukirchen To: Larry McVoy References: <58626A0B-EF9C-4920-8E20-CE0C4210BA6A@planet.nl> <878rgks9x1.fsf@vuxu.org> <20230226161313.GV12775@mcvoy.com> Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2023 17:23:21 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20230226161313.GV12775@mcvoy.com> (Larry McVoy's message of "Sun, 26 Feb 2023 08:13:13 -0800") Message-ID: <874jr8s8ee.fsf@vuxu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Message-ID-Hash: X6LZFNAKH25XCBRLQYSOSTO6S2CRZ6SC X-Message-ID-Hash: X6LZFNAKH25XCBRLQYSOSTO6S2CRZ6SC X-MailFrom: chneukirchen@gmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Early GUI on Linux List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Larry McVoy writes: > On Sun, Feb 26, 2023 at 04:50:34PM +0100, Leah Neukirchen wrote: >> Warner Losh writes: >> >> > - was there any discussion of alternatives to X? >> >> >> > >> > Discussions yes. But not much more than talk. >> > >> > There were vgalib apps that ran graphics on the console, but I never used >> > them. >> >> Back then I didn't have enough disk space to install X11 and TeX at >> the same time, so I mostly worked on the 80x25 console > > screen(1) was my go to back in the days of limited resources. Especially > screen -r so you could detach, come back the next day and have all your > setup right there. > > Wasn't that fancy but oh so useful. I'm with Ted in that we just wanted > a bunch of terminal windows. Curiously, I learned about screen only way later, when I used remote systems. But I made getty spawn on 12 ttys, so that worked as well to multitask. -- Leah Neukirchen https://leahneukirchen.org