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Morabito" To: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2022 09:20:23 -0800 In-reply-to: Message-ID: <87k0ei30xg.fsf@loomcom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: [TUHS] FYI: Internet Old Farts Club X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" Andy Kosela writes: > > I can speak only for myself, but I love that TUHS/COFF mailing lists > are still _the real_ mailing lists managed the old school way. > [...] > So please do not go anywhere.... At the risk of sounding like a luddite, you're not alone, I'm right there with you. I'm certainly not opposed to innovation, not at all! There are some modern technologies that absolutely excite me and make me giddy to play around with. Unfortunately, all too often if feels like we're just spinning our wheels by doing the same things over and over again, but this time, more bloated. Increasingly, I'm asking myself: "Does this actually innovate, or is it just performative? Have I failed to research and read about existing techniques before I try to invent something that's already been invented, but this time in a 3 GB Electron app? Does the UX help, or hurt? Can colorblind people use it? Can people with vision impairment use it? Can people without access to broadband use it?" The Internet was a much more level playing field 20-30 years ago than it is now, and I'd like to keep what's left of that level playing field level as long as I can. > --Andy -Seth