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* [TUHS] Setting up an X Development Environment for Mac OS
@ 2023-01-25  1:46 Will Senn
  2023-01-25  7:45 ` [TUHS] " segaloco via TUHS
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From: Will Senn @ 2023-01-25  1:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
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All,

If you think unix ends without x, just move along, nothing to see here. 
Otherwise, I thought I would share the subject of my latest post and a 
link with those of you interested in such things.

Recently, I've been tooling around trying to wrap my head around x 
windows and wanted to give programming it a shot at the xlib level... on 
my mac, if possible. So, I bought a copy of Adrian Nye's Xlib 
Programming Manual for Version 11 R4/R5, aka Volume One of The 
Definitive Guides to the X Window System, published, get this... 30+ 
years ago, in 1992 :) and started reading like a madman. As usual, this 
was an example of great technical writing from the prior millenium, 
something rarely found today.

Anyway, I hunted up the source code examples as published, unpacked 
them, did a few environmental things to my mac, and built my first xlib 
application from that source. A few tweaks to my XQuartz configuration 
and I was running the application in twm on my mac, with a root window.

To read about it and see it in all of its glory, check it out here:

https://decuser.github.io/operating-systems/mojave/x-windows/2023/01/24/x-windows-dev-on-mac.html

The same sort of setup works with Linux, FreeBSD, or my latest 
environment DragonFly BSD. It's not the environment that I find 
interesting, but rather the X Window System itself, but this is my way 
of entering into that world. If you are interested in running X Windows, 
not as an integrated system on your mac (where x apps run in aqua 
windows), but with a 'regular' window manager, and you haven't figured 
out how, this is one way.

On the provocateur front - is X part of unix? I mean this in oh so many 
nuanced ways, so read into it as you will. I would contend, torpedoes be 
damned, that it is :).

Will

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* [TUHS] Re: Setting up an X Development Environment for Mac OS
@ 2023-01-25 20:38 Noel Chiappa
  2023-01-25 21:25 ` Clem Cole
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From: Noel Chiappa @ 2023-01-25 20:38 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: tuhs; +Cc: jnc

    > From: Lars Brinkhoff

    > It's my understanding it was started by Bob Scheifler of the CLU group.

Yes, that's correct. (Bob's office was right around the corner from me -
although I had very little knowledge of what his group was up to; I was too
busy with other things.)

I have this vague memory that his version was actually written in CLU? Can
that be correct? It would make sense, since that group was so focused on CLU
- but maybe not, see below.

X must have been done after LCS got the 750 farm (on which we ran 4.1c, to
start with) - although I don't know what kind of terminals they were using to
run X on - we didn't have any bit-mapped displays on them, I'm pretty sure.
Although maybe it was later, once Micro-Vaxes appeared?

I have this vague memory that it was based (perhaps only in design, not code
re-use) on a window system done at Stanford {looks}; yes, W (hence 'X'):

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W_Window_System

The X paper listed there:

  https://dl.acm.org/doi/pdf/10.1145/22949.24053

doesn't say anything about the implementation, so maybe that vague
memory/assumption that I had that it was originally written in CLU is wrong.
Liskov's 'History of CLU' paper, which lists things done in CLU, doesn't
mention it, so I must have been confused?

Do any of the really early versions of X (and W) still exist?

	Noel

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2023-01-25  8:00   ` Lars Brinkhoff
2023-01-25 16:41   ` Rich Salz
2023-01-25 19:53     ` Theodore Ts'o
2023-01-25 20:04       ` Dan Cross
2023-01-25 20:23         ` Larry McVoy
2023-01-25 20:27           ` Chet Ramey
2023-01-27  4:49         ` Theodore Ts'o
2023-01-27 18:05           ` Henry Mensch
2023-01-27 18:24             ` Charles H Sauer (he/him)
2023-01-26 13:17       ` Marc Donner
2023-02-08 22:12       ` [TUHS] project athena (was Re: Setting up an X Development Environment for Mac OS) Jonathan Gray
2023-02-09  2:51         ` [TUHS] " Theodore Ts'o
2023-02-11  0:13           ` Henry Mensch
2023-02-11  0:53             ` Larry McVoy
2023-02-11  3:51               ` Jonathan Gray
2023-02-11 14:48                 ` Larry McVoy
2023-02-12  2:26                   ` Jonathan Gray
2023-02-12 21:35                   ` Henry Mensch
2023-02-11  0:23         ` Henry Mensch
2023-01-25 20:38 [TUHS] Re: Setting up an X Development Environment for Mac OS Noel Chiappa
2023-01-25 21:25 ` Clem Cole
2023-01-26  6:30   ` Lars Brinkhoff
2023-01-26 10:56     ` Ralph Corderoy
2023-01-26 12:01       ` arnold
2023-01-26 13:25         ` Lars Brinkhoff
2023-01-26 15:28       ` [TUHS] " josh
2023-01-26 16:07         ` [TUHS] " segaloco via TUHS
2023-01-26 16:48           ` emanuel stiebler
2023-01-26 21:19             ` segaloco via TUHS
2023-01-26 22:51               ` Andy Kosela
2023-01-27  0:48                 ` segaloco via TUHS
2023-01-27  4:07                   ` Will Senn
2023-01-27 14:08                     ` Chet Ramey
2023-01-27 14:49                       ` Ron Natalie
2023-01-27 15:53                     ` Dan Cross
2023-01-27 14:17             ` Ralph Corderoy
2023-01-27 13:56         ` Ralph Corderoy
2023-01-27 14:54           ` Ron Natalie
2023-01-27 16:10             ` Larry McVoy
2023-01-28 22:15               ` Dave Horsfall
2023-01-29  0:31                 ` Kevin Bowling
2023-01-29 11:07                   ` emanuel stiebler
2023-01-27 21:42             ` Tom Perrine
2023-01-28  2:18               ` Larry McVoy
2023-01-28  2:49                 ` Tom Perrine
2023-01-26  6:32 ` Lars Brinkhoff
2023-01-26  9:45 ` emanuel stiebler via TUHS

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