From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id f74f36d4 for ; Sat, 10 Aug 2019 01:54:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id D4AF1946CF; Sat, 10 Aug 2019 11:54:12 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45DB393D09; Sat, 10 Aug 2019 11:53:22 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (1024-bit key; unprotected) header.d=eschatologist.net header.i=@eschatologist.net header.b="RMwx1bxm"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 4F71D93D09; Sat, 10 Aug 2019 11:53:20 +1000 (AEST) X-Greylist: delayed 449 seconds by postgrey-1.36 at minnie.tuhs.org; Sat, 10 Aug 2019 11:53:19 AEST Received: from blue.elm.relay.mailchannels.net (blue.elm.relay.mailchannels.net [23.83.212.20]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0475393D08 for ; Sat, 10 Aug 2019 11:53:18 +1000 (AEST) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|cmhanson@eschatologist.net Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B69375010BA; Sat, 10 Aug 2019 01:45:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a30.g.dreamhost.com (100-96-145-246.trex.outbound.svc.cluster.local [100.96.145.246]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 221A9501580; Sat, 10 Aug 2019 01:45:49 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|cmhanson@eschatologist.net Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a30.g.dreamhost.com ([TEMPUNAVAIL]. [64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.17.5); Sat, 10 Aug 2019 01:45:49 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|cmhanson@eschatologist.net X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost X-Duck-Bottle: 3108b8a1353625f9_1565401549541_2829024173 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1565401549541:3945312314 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1565401549540 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a30.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a30.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF25683413; Fri, 9 Aug 2019 18:45:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=eschatologist.net; h=from :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject :date:references:to:in-reply-to:message-id; s=eschatologist.net; bh=wOyk75NxRQwfGXiizAB9lFKKd88=; b=RMwx1bxm/3BJhoLo8sqd5jYwtHT2 Gf2vxO4VARSK3HCYbinxhCw7tYAPChOv0i7+mNy6la6/nMNLuWxmZG4RW0xA7gDs EjA1VzLCYKMijyuxnAELJjty3kM0UNuCd1sKeH20nzAy0Y0kgaLcUB6vDekqcR7L 1lr//5zZ4AmIbYA= Received: from [17.212.151.228] (unknown [17.212.151.228]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: cmhanson@eschatologist.net) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a30.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 490FC83372; Fri, 9 Aug 2019 18:45:42 -0700 (PDT) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a30 From: Chris Hanson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2019 18:45:41 -0700 References: <7236c9d4-40af-bc49-8aee-5c32d869d2eb@spamtrap.tnetconsulting.net> To: Grant Taylor , Grant Taylor via TUHS In-Reply-To: <7236c9d4-40af-bc49-8aee-5c32d869d2eb@spamtrap.tnetconsulting.net> Message-Id: <88A08A53-33F2-4630-B39D-30316AD10D10@eschatologist.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-VR-OUT-STATUS: OK X-VR-OUT-SCORE: -100 X-VR-OUT-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduvddruddukedghedvucetufdoteggodetrfdotffvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuggftfghnshhusghstghrihgsvgdpffftgfetoffjqffuvfenuceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmnecujfgurhephfgtgfgguffffhfvjgfkofesthhqmhdthhdtjeenucfhrhhomhepvehhrhhishcujfgrnhhsohhnuceotghmhhgrnhhsohhnsegvshgthhgrthholhhoghhishhtrdhnvghtqeenucfkphepudejrddvuddvrdduhedurddvvdeknecurfgrrhgrmhepmhhouggvpehsmhhtphdphhgvlhhopegludejrddvuddvrdduhedurddvvdekngdpihhnvghtpedujedrvdduvddrudehuddrvddvkedprhgvthhurhhnqdhprghthhepvehhrhhishcujfgrnhhsohhnuceotghmhhgrnhhsohhnsegvshgthhgrthholhhoghhishhtrdhnvghtqedpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpegtmhhhrghnshhonhesvghstghhrghtohhlohhgihhsthdrnhgvthdpnhhrtghpthhtohepthhuhhhssehmihhnnhhivgdrthhuhhhsrdhorhhgnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptd Subject: Re: [TUHS] Pre-init initialization X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" On Aug 6, 2019, at 4:46 PM, Grant Taylor via TUHS = wrote: >=20 > Do, or did, anything other than Linux use a concept of an initramfs / = initrd to create a pre-(main)-init initialization environment to prepare = the system to execute the (main)-init process? Mach-based UNIX systems (can) have a Mach init that=E2=80=99s separate = from UNIX pid 1 init. When using a non-colocated UNIX subsystem (like the BSD Single Server) I = think I recall that=E2=80=99s how the UNIX subsystem is started, along = with other Mach tasks like the port name server. -- Chris