From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 7173a166 for ; Sat, 14 Sep 2019 07:36:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 3B017947D5; Sat, 14 Sep 2019 17:36:00 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6FCE9478E; Sat, 14 Sep 2019 17:35:29 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=aueb.gr header.i=@aueb.gr header.b="vCaSo1hg"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id ACC709478E; Sat, 14 Sep 2019 17:35:25 +1000 (AEST) Received: from blade-b3-vm-relay.servers.aueb.gr (blade-b3-vm-relay.servers.aueb.gr [195.251.255.106]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45D2C93D23 for ; Sat, 14 Sep 2019 17:35:24 +1000 (AEST) Received: from blade-a1-vm-smtp.servers.aueb.gr (blade-a1-vm-smtp.servers.aueb.gr [195.251.255.217]) by blade-b3-vm-relay.servers.aueb.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6884389C; Sat, 14 Sep 2019 10:35:22 +0300 (EEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=aueb.gr; s=201901; t=1568446522; bh=oi5LmdnsqkuTxb6WuNpCPXSr26TV9Etal8TO/+T9K5g=; h=Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=vCaSo1hgn2s2NL6DzfRWco5wmkVLiXBdXLRhtBpNEGXI7jr8Pim0JrkxxZbSCZ47Y ypaMnq8wTwgTQie+q1T6ncYc2O3qHCiYb6YuuJWYisBuLJRDvNEODZ32XmnNXJXomy ug44Vt5xGoh5lic9+A5M0Vf/lCQsshodotc55TdX8tDm0ijd/4ozfa9upVwAIyBXs5 UUcYZyLHcHl3xibGAnke3k7kGOLZFcnJj95Vq4OlxmTXMPVCFajfnaLcrO8Y1D9zJo +k8l00H9b24YupsmayuPUftUivQpEFGt78u7jUoDEgf4flXBp76+i267fAGrr0OOgi svyKtoWA06Bng== Received: from [192.168.136.3] (ppp-94-65-31-250.home.otenet.gr [94.65.31.250]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: dds) by blade-a1-vm-smtp.servers.aueb.gr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E9E3D6F6; Sat, 14 Sep 2019 10:35:21 +0300 (EEST) To: Clem Cole References: <201909132024.x8DKObEP013266@darkstar.fourwinds.com> <463d5cc4-9bef-9ac3-a680-a5161d664dc1@aueb.gr> From: Diomidis Spinellis Phone: +30 210 8203621 Message-ID: <88e1328b-f543-7c36-6a82-13159816b3ad@aueb.gr> Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2019 10:35:22 +0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: el Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [TUHS] My EuroBSDcon talk (preview for commentary) X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" Correct! I formatted the Third Edition manual with nroff rather than troff, but, as you write, it could have been roff. Only one man page file contains macro definitions: https://github.com/dspinellis/unix-history-repo/blob/Research-V3/man/manx/asmt.x#L9 and the man source files also contain the formatted output corresponding to that file: https://github.com/dspinellis/unix-history-repo/blob/Research-V3/man/manx/asmt.cat Furthermore, this file (and the others in the same directory — manx) does not appear in the original Third Edition manual. So most likely the man pages were formatted with roff, although nroff existed and was documented at the time. https://github.com/dspinellis/unix-history-repo/blob/Research-V3/man/man1/nroff.1 http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/att/unix/3rd_Edition/UNIX_Programmers_Manual_Third_Edition_Feb73.pdf#page=98 On 14-Sep-19 0:45, Clem Cole wrote: > Awesome -- great way to figure it out, although I'm not sure 3rd edition > was nroff, I think it might have been roff.  I think a smart test is to > check to see if those sources used a macro package or not.  If not macro > package, I think that tells us that the likely formatting program was roff.