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We u= sed Unipress emacs in 1984 on BSD or maybe Ultrix at Digital SRC.

Also there are at least two "microemac= s".  A bigger one and Dave Conroy's small one.  I asked Dave how t= o change the key bindings and he said to use the change configuration comman= d, called "cc".

I almost bu= ilt Dave's into the boot roms for the Alpha PC.  There was enough space= .

-Larry


On Aug 3, 2023,= at 8:32 PM, Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> wrote:

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On Thu, Aug 3, 2023, 6:19 PM Adam Thornton <athornton@gmail.com> wrote:
There are certainly teco implementations for U= nix, although I don't know if it was ever anyone's default editor anywhere.&= nbsp; Indeed, there are multiple implementations: I switched from a C teco i= mplementation to pyteco in the Rubin Science Platform JupyterLab implementat= ion (its utility is of course dubious, but this is part of both my nefarious= plan to make Jupyter not merely mean "Julia, Python, and R", but to use tha= t "e" -- and reassociate it with the "t" -- by making it mean "Julia, Python= , Teco, and R", and also to include an easter egg for a fellow project membe= r who is a teco fan).

The first Emacs I used was GNU emacs at a= lready version...16 or something?  In 1989, on ... I don't remember wha= t the main system I used at the UT Austin Chaos Lab was, actually; we had an= SGI Iris, but that wasn't the machine I did my editing on.  But by 198= 9 it was certainly well-available and established.
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We used some stripped dow= n emacs in 1985 on the vax 11/750 running 4.2bsd.   I built micro e= macs for my DEC Rainbow under MS-DOS in the same time period... 
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On T= hu, Aug 3, 2023 at 5:04=E2=80=AFPM Will Senn <will.senn@gmail.com>= wrote:
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As a longtime user and lover of ed/ex/vi, I don't know much about emacs, but lately I've been using it more (as it seems like any self-respecting lisper, has to at least have a passing acquaintance with it). I recently went off and got MACLISP running in ITS. As part of that exploration, I used EMACS, but not just any old emacs, emacs in it's first incarnation as a set of TECO macros. To me, it just seemed like EMACS. I won't bore you with the details - imagine lots of control and escape sequences, many of which are the same today as then. This was late 70's stuff.

My question for the group is - when did emacs arrive in unix and was it a full fledged text editor when it came or was it sitting on top of some other subssystem in unix? Was TECO ever on unix?

Will
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