From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 13577 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2022 15:02:03 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 29 Mar 2022 15:02:03 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id DE67C9D687; Wed, 30 Mar 2022 01:02:00 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A7B09D684; Wed, 30 Mar 2022 01:01:34 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="key not found in DNS" (0-bit key; unprotected) header.d=humeweb.com header.i=@humeweb.com header.b="CvnxLgXb"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 0D2819D684; Wed, 30 Mar 2022 00:56:09 +1000 (AEST) X-Greylist: delayed 1466 seconds by postgrey-1.36 at minnie.tuhs.org; Wed, 30 Mar 2022 00:56:07 AEST Received: from gateway9.unifiedlayer.com (gateway9.unifiedlayer.com [69.89.19.235]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B4A2A9D662 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2022 00:56:07 +1000 (AEST) Received: from cm1.websitewelcome.com (unknown [192.185.0.102]) by gateway9.unifiedlayer.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD4772011853D for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2022 09:31:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dallas136.arvixeshared.com ([23.91.70.4]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id ZCsmnaOtxKPTUZCsmnXXpZ; Tue, 29 Mar 2022 09:31:40 -0500 X-Authority-Reason: nr=8 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=humeweb.com ; s=default; h=References:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:Date:Subject:Mime-Version: Content-Type:Message-Id:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=EAQEK2SbEfwidM1geES4gBQm81YuG72+6SGhB7CZf1o=; b=CvnxLgXb9dEI6M88HZsVt0WWk1 0Sm8hGc0QN3/U1WKOu+3RQKu99oDhAqwj3uTXIOdef4kde0CzRTkAXZBCFt/rjP8DFqWKAdvLi754 iBHbd03V8qGHVMCU1qbyQwYd8nNFi6wjKWYV3H65iuTU2UxVFNJZFrjOOcERr6fMfu5k=; Received: from 99-98-248-85.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net ([99.98.248.85]:59976 helo=smtpclient.apple) by dallas136.arvixeshared.com with esmtpsa (TLS1.2) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.93) (envelope-from ) id 1nZCsm-001GVr-Fn; Tue, 29 Mar 2022 09:31:40 -0500 From: Andrew Hume Message-Id: <8CD4B839-ED11-4A97-8D9A-65F78A78FB43@humeweb.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_2021CB50-AAEB-4943-86C6-A259BDE04650" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 15.0 \(3693.60.0.1.1\)) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2022 07:31:39 -0700 In-Reply-To: To: Clem Cole References: <20220328210356.GA18426@minnie.tuhs.org> <97CCE4E5-0445-4EB0-8CAE-3C75BBF72CFE@iitbombay.org> <20220328232344.GC60301@eureka.lemis.com> <19FC5DAF-A4C7-4EE0-BF34-91B340910641@iitbombay.org> <11FBF445-4956-427E-8751-60BF5CA88116@serissa.com> <34e2e376-ab10-7125-ef0b-a28538e58d73@technologists.com> <202203290840.22T8euk9028535@freefriends.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3693.60.0.1.1) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - dallas136.arvixeshared.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - minnie.tuhs.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - humeweb.com X-BWhitelist: no X-Source-IP: 99.98.248.85 X-Source-L: No X-Exim-ID: 1nZCsm-001GVr-Fn X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: 99-98-248-85.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net (smtpclient.apple) [99.98.248.85]:59976 X-Source-Auth: andrew@humeweb.com X-Email-Count: 1 X-Source-Cap: YWh1bWU7YWh1bWU7ZGFsbGFzMTM2LmFydml4ZXNoYXJlZC5jb20= X-Local-Domain: yes Subject: Re: [TUHS] Old screen editors X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --Apple-Mail=_2021CB50-AAEB-4943-86C6-A259BDE04650 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 se? this may be a consequence for using such a bland name for a screen = editor, but i wrote a screen editor called =E2=80=99se=E2=80=99 in 1981-83, just = after we had moved from piscataway to murray hill. it was part of an effort to do office automation style products for = Unix, and came in around the time Unix transitioned from System III through System 4 through the early days of System V. my se was not very good, but i did have denis ritchie as an early = tester. > On Mar 29, 2022, at 6:45 AM, Clem Cole wrote: >=20 > Arnold, I agree, I do remember seeing it on what I think was the PWB = 4.0 tape. IMHO: it was before cshell, termcap, vi et al was released = inside of the rest of the Bell System and there seemed to be sometimes = "SW from BSD be bad/crude" 'tude. IIRC ber and mmp must have had it = running on the Marx's brothers systems in Whippany. But he had vi, so I = personally never used it. >=20 > @Mary Ann - this would have been around the time you were in Columbus = and starting the terminfo work. Do you have any memories? >=20 > On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 5:29 AM > wrote: > Did anyone within the Bell System ever use a screen editor called = 'se'? > (NOT related to the Georgia Tech se editor [se-editor.org = ]). >=20 > I used this on a USG UNIX 4.0 system ~ 1982 when I did some contract > programming at Southern Bell. I think it was originally written for > the Vax but it had been squeezed to run on a PDP-11/70 also. >=20 > I've mentioned this in the past, but it seems to been covered over > by the sands of time, and that nobody else ever used it. >=20 > Arnold --Apple-Mail=_2021CB50-AAEB-4943-86C6-A259BDE04650 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 se?

this = may be a consequence for using such a bland name for a screen = editor,
but i wrote a screen editor called =E2=80=99s= e=E2=80=99 in 1981-83, just after we had moved
from = piscataway to murray hill.

it was part of an effort to do office automation style = products for Unix,
and came in around the time Unix = transitioned from System III through
System 4 = through the early days of System V.

my se was not very good, but i did have = denis ritchie as an early tester.

On Mar = 29, 2022, at 6:45 AM, Clem Cole <clemc@ccc.com> wrote:

Arnold, I agree, I do = remember seeing it on what I think was the PWB 4.0 tape.  = IMHO: it was before cshell, termcap, vi et al was released inside of the = rest of the Bell System and there seemed to be sometimes "SW from BSD be = bad/crude" 'tude.  IIRC ber and mmp must have had it running on the = Marx's brothers systems in Whippany.  But he had vi, so I = personally never used it.

@Mary Ann - this would = have been around the time you were in Columbus and = starting the terminfo work.  Do you have any memories?

On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 5:29 AM <arnold@skeeve.com> = wrote:
Did anyone within the Bell System ever = use a screen editor called 'se'?
(NOT related to the Georgia Tech se editor [se-editor.org]).

I used this on a USG UNIX 4.0 system ~ 1982 when I did some contract
programming at Southern Bell.  I think it was originally written = for
the Vax but it had been squeezed to run on a PDP-11/70 also.

I've mentioned this in the past, but it seems to been covered over
by the sands of time, and that nobody else ever used it.

Arnold

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