From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 12952 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2023 13:16:07 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 26 Jan 2023 13:16:07 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EE1942467; Thu, 26 Jan 2023 23:15:43 +1000 (AEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tuhs.org; s=dkim; t=1674738943; h=from:from:reply-to:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-help: list-owner:list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post; bh=Jdw85k62XE+Q6VuSqGpk76yToNJFb9bAL3384lFrLds=; b=QU0PcQf460hVBj2RoZI8ORX46Yt5YRVvE36uNQl+QtSibCiV+uuSyR6rs4geM24dxgP/r8 y2G2aRsLFGDxOVBNTlhNCheCsVI135fE4GRXM4CoiUb38VtgmDMIzoXX/XkAecLFhgH03Z PpGOEonE3lTyG2gAjayP06tGxrVMxaU= Received: from ewsoutbound.kpnmail.nl (unknown [195.121.94.169]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3321242462 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2023 23:15:28 +1000 (AEST) X-KPN-MessageId: 78b5991a-9d7b-11ed-afdd-005056abad63 Received: from smtp.kpnmail.nl (unknown [10.31.155.39]) by ewsoutbound.so.kpn.org (Halon) with ESMTPS id 78b5991a-9d7b-11ed-afdd-005056abad63; Thu, 26 Jan 2023 14:15:15 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=planet.nl; s=planet01; h=to:date:message-id:subject:mime-version:content-type:from; bh=Jdw85k62XE+Q6VuSqGpk76yToNJFb9bAL3384lFrLds=; b=Qaxf05ccbYxU5R1BXZ9mJK7Fuc3HLTbwO7Dvsku9O/61nu5AUW9W/Rd4Ous7FUYQsIoobi1MFRwYu 2KhPV5JATIUmh4IckOPa2vyp/SMncHnDnl93FXiES70HvRo7IoZzmuvgB0xx9Uo0x0TDobNR9mtxdC NDy5ARnQOk3mUlJk= X-KPN-MID: 33|9m1SytAtH6KjL5BIHVFuQr8uLArkTWe9VZdC8HZhpWu2Fh6eRtdh2F91J1wrA7t JRVTTTM++wEN+yOb1JQ/O57v7d6uln4jK/2+l1k/AR9I= X-KPN-VerifiedSender: Yes X-CMASSUN: 33|bzTXHg38FlaqZBkZh6UjFZJ3+JPKnPGPYy94BN7FEJfy80qRs+UdT6hLMzGCO2y oM/+Mnsq/iOyXw1PVw6VwAQ== X-Originating-IP: 77.172.38.96 Received: from smtpclient.apple (77-172-38-96.fixed.kpn.net [77.172.38.96]) by smtp.kpnmail.nl (Halon) with ESMTPSA id 79485e72-9d7b-11ed-ab4c-005056ab7447; Thu, 26 Jan 2023 14:15:16 +0100 (CET) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 14.0 \(3654.120.0.1.13\)) Message-Id: <8D18A032-AD21-4601-852E-CC96FD438170@planet.nl> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2023 14:15:15 +0100 To: tuhs@tuhs.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.120.0.1.13) Message-ID-Hash: WHADFPWDZQSZ6WN2HCVQTAWXC4JG3YTI X-Message-ID-Hash: WHADFPWDZQSZ6WN2HCVQTAWXC4JG3YTI X-MailFrom: pnr@planet.nl X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Earliest UNIX Workstations? List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: From: Paul Ruizendaal via TUHS Reply-To: Paul Ruizendaal >> * What do I really mean by workstation? Ex.gr. If an installation had = a=20 >> PDP-11 with a single terminal and operator, is it not a workstation? = Is=20 >> it the integration of display into the system that differentiates? >=20 > I remember people calling something a workstation, > if it has the four "M" >=20 > at least 1 MByte memory > at least 1 megapixel display > at least 1 mbit/s network > can't remember the fourth(was there a fourth?) I remember it as: at least 1 MByte memory at least 1 megapixel display at least 1 MIPS cost at most 1 mega penny (10K, maybe 35K in today=E2=80=99s money) That matches with Wikipedia, for whatever that is worth: = https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3M_computer but note that it talks about 3M not 4M. With hindsight, not adding in networking speed looks strange -- but = maybe the world had already settled on LAN speeds above 1Mb/s by 1980 = (Ethernet, ARCNet)