[TUHS] HP 712& v6 or v7

[TUHS] HP 712& v6 or v7

[Ian King]

But there's nothing like the rush of warmed, slighly phenolic air from
the cooling fans of an old minicomputer - I've noticed the furnace
doesn't kick on when the 11/34 is running. (Of course, when I flip on
the RM02s, the breaker trips....)  

-- Ian 

-----Original Message-----
From: Derrik Walker v2.0 [mailto:firebug@apk.net] 
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 11:03 AM
To: Ian King
Cc: tuhs at tuhs.org
Subject: Re: [TUHS] HP 712& v6 or v7


On Monday, November 12, 2001, at 01:31 PM, Ian King wrote:

> Derrik, you're missing the point: what's the fun of doing it the easy 
> way?  :-)  Seriously, though, I think you'd have a couple of serious
> problems: the assembly language components (which are not 
> inconsiderable in V6) would need to be rewritten, and then there's 
> also the question of whether you could find a sufficiently 
> "undisciplined" C compiler to handle pre-ANSI C, to build the rest of 
> the system.
>

Actually, I like playing with emulators - they use a LOT less power than

real computers :)

HP-UX comes with a REAL K&R c compiler that wont handle ANY ANSI stuff.

It's used to rebuild the kernel, but you can use it to build K&R C 
programs too.  That should be usable for the kernel C routines and 
utilities.  But as you pointed out, the assembly stuff you have to be 
rewritten.  Also, you'd have to deal with disk and tty drivers.

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[TUHS] HP 712& v6 or v7

[Mike Allison]

Yeah, I was originally intending to go into the M68k systems and wandered
into the 700 series by mistake.

I decided that emulation was probably the way to go.  NetBSD and OpenBSD on
the 700 , as well as PARISC Linux seems to be sailing into the duldrums.
Where I would expect it to be strong based on the lack of OS choices.  But
I'm not an architecture guy, so I imagine there is a lot of proprietary
stuff in the box that makes portin a challenge.

Thanks,

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Derrik Walker v2.0" <firebug@apk.net>
To: <tuhs at tuhs.org>
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 9:28 AM
Subject: Re: [TUHS] HP 712& v6 or v7


>
> On Tuesday, November 6, 2001, at 07:34 PM, Paul Hart wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 4 Nov 2001, Mike Allison wrote:
> >
> >> Anyone tried/interested or successful in getting a copy of v6 or v7 up
> >> on a HP 9000 712?
> >
> > Are you sure it was ever ported to PA-RISC?  As far as I am aware,
> > PA-RISC
> > (and the HP 9000 712) weren't developed until long after the days of V6
> > and V7 UNIX.
>
> Wouldn't it be easier to just get the PDP-11 emulator from
> gatekeeper.dec.com and compile it for HP-UX or Linux on the 712?  I've
> compiled it on Solaris 8, Linux, and Mac OS X, so it should compile just
> fine under HP-UX.
>
> Also, as far as I am aware ( and keep in mind, I am an HP-UX system
> admin. ) HP-UX has only ever been System V. You can run HP-UX, Linux, or
> NetBSD on a HP-9000/{800,700}.
>
> - Derrik
>
> firebug at apk.net
> http://junior.apk.net/~firebug
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> when not actually threatened.  How very nice for authority.  I decided
> not
> to learn this particular lesson.
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[TUHS] HP 712& v6 or v7

[Derrik Walker v2.0]

On Monday, November 12, 2001, at 01:31 PM, Ian King wrote:

> Derrik, you're missing the point: what's the fun of doing it the easy
> way?  :-)  Seriously, though, I think you'd have a couple of serious
> problems: the assembly language components (which are not inconsiderable
> in V6) would need to be rewritten, and then there's also the question of
> whether you could find a sufficiently "undisciplined" C compiler to
> handle pre-ANSI C, to build the rest of the system.
>

Actually, I like playing with emulators - they use a LOT less power than 
real computers :)

HP-UX comes with a REAL K&R c compiler that wont handle ANY ANSI stuff.  
It's used to rebuild the kernel, but you can use it to build K&R C 
programs too.  That should be usable for the kernel C routines and 
utilities.  But as you pointed out, the assembly stuff you have to be 
rewritten.  Also, you'd have to deal with disk and tty drivers.

firebug at apk.net                                                   
http://junior.apk.net/~firebug
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Worriers may get all the glory, but it's engineers that build societies.
         -- B`Elanna Torres, "Star Trek: Voyager"

[TUHS] HP 712& v6 or v7

[Ian King]

Derrik, you're missing the point: what's the fun of doing it the easy
way?  :-)  Seriously, though, I think you'd have a couple of serious
problems: the assembly language components (which are not inconsiderable
in V6) would need to be rewritten, and then there's also the question of
whether you could find a sufficiently "undisciplined" C compiler to
handle pre-ANSI C, to build the rest of the system.  

-- Ian, running UNIX 6th Ed. on a PDP-11/34a

-----Original Message-----
From: Derrik Walker v2.0 [mailto:firebug@apk.net] 
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 8:29 AM
To: tuhs at tuhs.org
Subject: Re: [TUHS] HP 712& v6 or v7



On Tuesday, November 6, 2001, at 07:34 PM, Paul Hart wrote:

> On Sun, 4 Nov 2001, Mike Allison wrote:
>
>> Anyone tried/interested or successful in getting a copy of v6 or v7 
>> up on a HP 9000 712?
>
> Are you sure it was ever ported to PA-RISC?  As far as I am aware,
> PA-RISC
> (and the HP 9000 712) weren't developed until long after the days of
V6
> and V7 UNIX.

Wouldn't it be easier to just get the PDP-11 emulator from 
gatekeeper.dec.com and compile it for HP-UX or Linux on the 712?  I've 
compiled it on Solaris 8, Linux, and Mac OS X, so it should compile just

fine under HP-UX.

Also, as far as I am aware ( and keep in mind, I am an HP-UX system 
admin. ) HP-UX has only ever been System V. You can run HP-UX, Linux, or

NetBSD on a HP-9000/{800,700}.

- Derrik

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when not actually threatened.  How very nice for authority.  I decided 
not
to learn this particular lesson.
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[TUHS] HP 712& v6 or v7

[Derrik Walker v2.0]

On Tuesday, November 6, 2001, at 07:34 PM, Paul Hart wrote:

> On Sun, 4 Nov 2001, Mike Allison wrote:
>
>> Anyone tried/interested or successful in getting a copy of v6 or v7 up
>> on a HP 9000 712?
>
> Are you sure it was ever ported to PA-RISC?  As far as I am aware, 
> PA-RISC
> (and the HP 9000 712) weren't developed until long after the days of V6
> and V7 UNIX.

Wouldn't it be easier to just get the PDP-11 emulator from 
gatekeeper.dec.com and compile it for HP-UX or Linux on the 712?  I've 
compiled it on Solaris 8, Linux, and Mac OS X, so it should compile just 
fine under HP-UX.

Also, as far as I am aware ( and keep in mind, I am an HP-UX system 
admin. ) HP-UX has only ever been System V. You can run HP-UX, Linux, or 
NetBSD on a HP-9000/{800,700}.

- Derrik

firebug at apk.net                                                   
http://junior.apk.net/~firebug
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
They seem to have learned the habit of cowering before authority even
when not actually threatened.  How very nice for authority.  I decided 
not
to learn this particular lesson.
         -- Richard Stallman

[TUHS] HP 712& v6 or v7

[Paul Hart]

On Sun, 4 Nov 2001, Mike Allison wrote:

> Anyone tried/interested or successful in getting a copy of v6 or v7 up
> on a HP 9000 712?

Are you sure it was ever ported to PA-RISC?  As far as I am aware, PA-RISC
(and the HP 9000 712) weren't developed until long after the days of V6
and V7 UNIX.

Paul Hart

--
Paul Robert Hart
hart at orem.verio.net

Jul ner lbh ernqvat guvf?

[TUHS] HP 712& v6 or v7

[Mike Allison]

TWiC:

Anyone tried/interested or successful in getting a copy of v6 or v7 up on a
HP 9000 712?

If you have any insight, please email me off line at:
mike1allison @ earthlink.net
or
mike @ irtg5.net

Thanks,

Mike