From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 8215 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2022 18:58:08 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 11 Jan 2022 18:58:08 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id DBA0C9D004; Wed, 12 Jan 2022 04:58:03 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59F019CFC8; Wed, 12 Jan 2022 04:57:53 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; secure) header.d=jfloren.net header.i=@jfloren.net header.b="lmpTrraP"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 8E27F9CFC8; Wed, 12 Jan 2022 04:57:51 +1000 (AEST) X-Greylist: delayed 405 seconds by postgrey-1.36 at minnie.tuhs.org; Wed, 12 Jan 2022 04:57:47 AEST Received: from mail-4321.protonmail.ch (mail-4321.protonmail.ch [185.70.43.21]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B29239C78F for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2022 04:57:47 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-0201.mail-europe.com (mail-0201.mail-europe.com [51.77.79.158]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail-4321.protonmail.ch (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4JYKXT5bqdz4xDrh for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2022 18:51:05 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: mail-4321.protonmail.ch; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=jfloren.net header.i=@jfloren.net header.b="lmpTrraP" Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2022 18:50:57 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=jfloren.net; s=protonmail2; t=1641927059; bh=YtMiWE3BrQ0plQ4MMAl8GEpg6/avaptYzR77qKoFyis=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Reply-To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:From:To:Cc; b=lmpTrraP3Q9DLaVUq8/ClnTVVnOzgas1DmBAGg1IL/FrKT+OCI99QB8f4mybuELNr GsL7YQlweDJTfgLOCmGQOgrML7guHjU1Qfguu4juW8bSiKtBM+juv8U2LyoOK3eFSM MJhOAz00MkHzuUjsn4h5mVPJgI2JpZuFjvEcpHEdveBe2bW5j/qOB11vvLEZsAwYrl NXc8ikrYXoqYuBO0pSAdhsKzpzT0nX4+4pBjJPHsME+KDMJA6C4jtPyOAvsHqac8as Ba9RNVHaoO9dzOLZaOJrm47BMOj3e5WBihx7ojAXHKbk0EgzwvjFk+sF3ELUUtd4U+ r14CUNs5a/6Uw== To: Dan Cross From: John Floren Message-ID: <8VN9-0_HJaGPYYv7VrDzWnd8_gjijL83DOKWP5DLDA6Ca3YvALGGMo3shrQZSXG5zshsYdO8CjUvFhyI6QxqpQu2oGSXlWKNTO3Kr9vmCC0=@jfloren.net> In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [TUHS] Coastal cultures, collaboration, creativity and Sun vs DEC. X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: John Floren Cc: TUHS main list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" On Tuesday, January 11th, 2022 at 10:36 AM, Dan Cross wr= ote: > The question is, to what extent did differences in coastal cultures influ= ence things like design aesthetics? I think it's is accurate to characteriz= e early BTL Unix by it's minimalism, and others have echoed this (cf. Richa= rd Gabriel in the "Worse is Better" papers). But similarly, BSD has always = felt like a larger system -- didn't Lions go as far as to quip about the su= ccinctness of 6th Edition being "fixed" by 4BSD? I've usually attributed BSD's larger size to the enthusiasm of students who= delight in adding nifty little toys and tools and options. Although "the U= nix Philosophy" gets invoked in hushed tones today, there was presumably fe= wer fingers being wagged at the Berkeley kids for daring to experiment (exc= ept when they filled up the disk). john