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From: scj@yaccman.com (scj@yaccman.com)
Subject: [TUHS] Gnu/Stallman (was Bugs in V6 'dcheck')
Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2014 21:08:20 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8ddc2a2d9aeea13a5bc6f98903380f62.squirrel@webmail.yaccman.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140602033746.GG18282@mercury.ccil.org>

Three comments on Gnu/Unix.

The first is that the Unix creators were very ambivalent about the AT&T
Lawyers.  The legal situation surrounding AT&T licensing software was
murky, and the lawyers attitude was often "let's wait 10 years and see
what happens in case law...".  I spent about six months trying to get the
PCC C grammar released to the public domain, with the notion that this
would help limit the splintering of the language that was starting to
happen pre ANSI C.  I couldn't get anywhere with that.

The second comment is that, for me personally, the ripping off bothered me
less than the complete lack of attribution of the original creators. 
There were easily two dozen people who contributed some significant code
and/or ideas to Unix, but you'd never know it by looking at Gnu.

The third comment is that the loss of central control has had its costs. 
I get a rash looking at the 500-page gcc manual, orders of magnitude
larger than the code for pcc.  It's hard to steer a sensible course
between stagnated central control and chaotic anarchy, but for my taste
letting every grad student with a couple of hours of spare time piddle on
the code base has not, on the whole, been a good thing.]

Steve




  reply	other threads:[~2014-06-02  4:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-06-02  2:09 Doug McIlroy
2014-06-02  2:24 ` John Cowan
2014-06-02  2:59 ` Warner Losh
2014-06-02  3:17   ` Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2014-06-02  3:37     ` John Cowan
2014-06-02  4:08       ` scj [this message]
2014-06-02  5:03       ` Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2014-06-02 12:31         ` Ronald Natalie
2014-06-02  4:04     ` Nick Downing
2014-06-02  4:43       ` John Cowan
2014-06-02  6:23         ` arnold
2014-06-02 17:35           ` John Cowan
2014-06-02 18:44             ` Warner Losh
2014-06-02 18:52               ` John Cowan
2014-06-02  3:18   ` John Cowan
2014-06-02  6:08   ` Steve Nickolas
2014-06-02 12:04 ` Clem Cole
2014-06-02 12:27   ` Ronald Natalie
2014-06-02 13:28     ` Clem Cole
2014-06-02 14:11       ` Tim Bradshaw
2014-06-02 14:25         ` Clem Cole
2014-06-02 14:41           ` John Cowan
2014-06-02 14:50             ` Armando Stettner
2014-06-02 18:27               ` Brantley Coile
2014-06-02 18:52                 ` Dan Cross
2014-06-02 19:10                   ` arnold
2014-06-03  1:45                     ` Brantley Coile
2014-06-02 19:30                   ` John Cowan
2014-06-02 19:54                     ` Dan Cross
2014-06-02 23:37                       ` John Cowan
2014-06-03  1:24                         ` Dan Cross
2014-06-03  2:16                           ` John Cowan
2014-06-03  2:18                             ` Dan Cross
2014-06-02 19:47                   ` Chris Nehren
2014-06-02 20:23                     ` Dan Cross
2014-06-03 18:48                       ` [TUHS] Evolutionary Paths (was Gnu/Stallman (was Bugs in V6 'dcheck')) scj
2014-06-04  1:10                         ` Larry McVoy
2014-06-04  3:42                           ` Greg Chesson
2014-06-05  0:43                             ` Larry McVoy
2014-06-02 21:08                   ` [TUHS] Gnu/Stallman (was Bugs in V6 'dcheck') Charlie Kester
2014-06-03  0:37                   ` Tim Newsham
2014-06-02 20:06           ` Jacob Goense
2014-06-02 14:26         ` arnold
2014-06-02 14:30       ` John Cowan
2014-06-02 14:24     ` John Cowan
2014-06-02 14:29       ` Ronald Natalie
2014-06-02 14:37       ` Clem Cole
2014-06-05  7:31       ` Arno Griffioen
2014-06-05  8:24         ` emu
2014-06-05  9:17         ` Wesley Parish
2014-06-05 11:26           ` Brantley Coile
2014-06-05 13:34             ` Jesus Cea
2014-06-11 12:10           ` Michael Parson
2014-06-12  1:20             ` Wesley Parish
2014-06-05 15:07         ` Clem Cole
2014-06-05 18:26           ` Ronald Natalie

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