From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 7967 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2023 21:11:33 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 19 Jan 2023 21:11:33 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF5D5424CE; Fri, 20 Jan 2023 07:11:27 +1000 (AEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tuhs.org; s=dkim; t=1674162688; h=from:from:reply-to:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-owner:list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post; bh=7TOFs09AT9sG2qIIJC1Jnw5bIunDvs7sSxd2VwNagpE=; b=y9ntQLcoDkkUEaExNDuJmpcLnGeJ17YofEPdpqO+4TqubAluW/pi3r/kWjNtLEUuTlooMk Ln6T0/67ZvhwzSO5vml+LXYkoT9DN14lr3SEcYrI0/L8QKxWebADRjsKRtacQUc9BQJ74t GO/QOO5Cil7hTapTC5SBJG4sDBu6SAo= Received: from mail-40135.protonmail.ch (mail-40135.protonmail.ch [185.70.40.135]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DB723424CD for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2023 07:11:21 +1000 (AEST) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2023 21:11:13 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=protonmail.com; s=protonmail3; t=1674162679; x=1674421879; bh=7TOFs09AT9sG2qIIJC1Jnw5bIunDvs7sSxd2VwNagpE=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID: Message-ID:BIMI-Selector; b=tDs4UPxlLUZeFerm5Re+jpeR3033xGxdzhFxClzgzLkwzyLSmR2xr4o5qMC5tYfjG aaQokcM/Tf9dv/KfAPlrOA8zVC1iNEbCe898J1lLb9LZcxL4aATwrODxqP/onCcmre Z1re7FyWF1X0VU4FfP7Zk17QenLLg5J4Lj5zXN7fs8BrLZBVxGRq62Sz+wg8Ie9eP0 U2+R+qYx7sqgoPsG/6jAMhrUP5Fg5rTIznyngzClaaX87D+tbhgeP/IeoNtPWujsxR NG5GIsEfk2w+IlFc8/lqu1Qp571wWjMyY3IflMPhs7enJmo4Bs8SvxhSTk5pWeSwne S9y0TPnzkBuIQ== To: Rich Morin Message-ID: <8fQF8C5GM3eA-3vxcwrxiUhMEFAFMOas2U5Dbtm9lxMI4jG0t_Yfoh1r1GfPBc14DgX1iJlXK_mZ1rrxiiPUDDTpiWRH4Ga9agLbBwINjRQ=@protonmail.com> In-Reply-To: <85349B1E-A388-4090-BB68-DD32349B18BE@cfcl.com> References: <202301180943.30I9hrOw030485@freefriends.org> <20230118161959.GE2964@mcvoy.com> <0882D9CA-FAC8-4EC6-BA82-CE1D457423E5@iitbombay.org> <85349B1E-A388-4090-BB68-DD32349B18BE@cfcl.com> Feedback-ID: 35591162:user:proton MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID-Hash: NLDZNQJTROMD2FR7MVVJ3GMP67OZCXAL X-Message-ID-Hash: NLDZNQJTROMD2FR7MVVJ3GMP67OZCXAL X-MailFrom: segaloco@protonmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: The death of general purpose computers, was - AIX moved into maintainance mode List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: From: segaloco via TUHS Reply-To: segaloco Planned obsolescence is, in my opinion, one of the most disgusting concepts= in the whole of engineering. The idea that anyone would, in good faith (H= AH!), purposefully subvert reliability and dependability engineering solely= to ensure frequent turnover of their product is mindboggling. At the very= least it's my opinion that all these cell manufacturers (and lets face it,= IoT manufacturers) designing their devices to be thrown away and replaced = every couple of years should be 100% responsible for the environmental impl= ications of shipping nominally temporary/destined for the scrap heap piles = of heavy metals, plastics, etc, all over the globe. Instead these companies are shoveling tons and tons of resources into the m= arket knowing they're going to be landfill material only a few years after = release. Yeah there are recycling programs, but even then, it just feels l= ike the general public being made to run on a treadmill of buy this, now do= nate it back for recycling, now buy the same resources again repackaged in = a shiny new box. I'm willing to wager, security and protocol issues aside,= most consumers would do just fine with computing technology circa the late= 90's/early 00's still, but dangit that new iPhone has a couple more megapi= xels. - Matt G. ------- Original Message ------- On Thursday, January 19th, 2023 at 12:59 PM, Rich Morin wrot= e: > Several projects are attempting to target cell phones with (mostly) Linux= variants (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_for_mobile_devices). Most of= these are focused on particular (or even custom) hardware, but at least on= e has the explicit goal of supporting "old" hardware: >=20 > > We are sick of not receiving updates shortly after buying new phones. S= ick of the walled gardens deeply integrated into Android and iOS. That's wh= y we are developing a sustainable, privacy and security focused free softwa= re mobile OS that is modeled after traditional Linux distributions. With pr= ivilege separation in mind. Let's keep our devices useful and safe until th= ey physically break! >=20 >=20 > https://postmarketos.org > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PostmarketOS >=20 > I'm particularly interested in this project, because it might let a few b= illion (!) retired cell phones be used as portable computing and communicat= ion devices. Here is a current snapshot of their porting progress: >=20 > https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Devices >=20 > -r >=20 > > On Jan 19, 2023, at 12:09, segaloco via TUHS tuhs@tuhs.org wrote: > > ... I want to be excited about the idea of potentially having a powerfu= l computer with me just about anywhere, but at the same time, if that power= is significantly throttled (see Game "Optimizing" Service...), and full ro= ot access to the device is not granted easily, then it's not any more usefu= l to me than a kiosk at Walmart. ...