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From: Bakul Shah <bakul@bitblocks.com>
To: Jon Steinhart <jon@fourwinds.com>
Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society <tuhs@tuhs.org>
Subject: Re: [TUHS] screen editors
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2020 09:56:07 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <928BC725-0105-4B38-BC14-A8C04A3C4532@bitblocks.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <202001091721.009HLf2V503811@darkstar.fourwinds.com>

On Jan 9, 2020, at 9:21 AM, Jon Steinhart <jon@fourwinds.com> wrote:
> 
> It's for that reason that I hate the addition of multiple windows to vi.  I
> already have a windowing system on my machine, and that's what I use for windows.
> To me, the correct thing to do is to open a new desktop window to edit a new file
> and start a new instance of vi, not to use vi to open another internal window.

The Rand editor made good use of multiple windows. You could set things up so
that two windows would scroll *in sync*. This is handy e.g. when you are looking
at two columns or rows that far apart in the same file or in different files and
too large so you need to scroll.

Acme makes even better use of multiple windows. Right click on a compile error
message in one window and the cursor moves the error causing line in the source
file in another window etc. You can repeat as many times as you want.

So I tend to think combining multiple windows and editing can be effective.

> I guess that what I'm saying is that I think that rather than following the
> UNIX philosophy of having distinct tools and composing, much modern software tries
> to do too much stuff that's not unique to its domain.  A strained analogy would be
> if every "little language" felt that it had to re-implement a big language too.

Finding the "right cut" of functionality is not easy. Scheme or Common Lisp?
Editors and a set of tools or an all singing all dancing IDE? Can one implement
something like Photoshop as a set of separate tools that can be combined any way?

What old style Unix tools give you is isolation and (one way) controlled
communication. Can this model be generalized to a set of Lego blocks out of
which one can compose even complex tools such as Photoshop as easily is an open
question. 



  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-01-09 17:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 117+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-01-08  9:46 Rudi Blom
2020-01-08 14:15 ` Chet Ramey
2020-01-08 15:15   ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2020-01-08 15:42     ` Steve Mynott
     [not found]     ` <68b3d6df-94f6-625d-39bf-6149b4c177c9@andrewnesbit.org>
2020-01-08 20:56       ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2020-01-08 23:21   ` Dave Horsfall
2020-01-09  0:08     ` Warner Losh
2020-01-09  1:28       ` Larry McVoy
2020-01-09  1:40         ` Bakul Shah
2020-01-09  2:04           ` Clem Cole
2020-01-09  2:07             ` Larry McVoy
2020-01-09  2:12               ` Clem Cole
2020-01-09  2:59                 ` Bakul Shah
2020-01-09  3:08                   ` Larry McVoy
2020-01-09  3:43                     ` Bakul Shah
2020-01-09  3:27                 ` Mary Ann Horton
2020-01-09  3:34                   ` Larry McVoy
2020-01-09  3:49                   ` Bakul Shah
2020-01-09  3:55                     ` Mary Ann Horton
2020-01-09  5:27                       ` Bakul Shah
2020-01-09  4:23                 ` Jon Steinhart
2020-01-09 15:54                   ` Clem Cole
2020-01-09 17:21                     ` Jon Steinhart
2020-01-09 17:30                       ` Warner Losh
2020-01-09 17:45                         ` [TUHS] screen editors and beyond Jon Steinhart
2020-01-09 17:56                       ` Bakul Shah [this message]
2020-01-18  2:11                         ` [TUHS] screen editors Michael Parson
2020-01-09 18:53                       ` Larry McVoy
2020-01-09 19:01                         ` Jon Steinhart
2020-01-09 19:02                     ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2020-01-09 19:19                       ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2020-01-09 20:20                     ` Mary Ann Horton
2020-01-18  2:06                   ` Michael Parson
2020-01-18  3:13                     ` Clem Cole
2020-01-18  3:44                       ` Kurt H Maier
2020-01-18 15:37                       ` Larry McVoy
2020-01-18 22:11                         ` markus schnalke
2020-01-09  2:14         ` Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2020-01-09  2:48           ` Chet Ramey
2020-01-09  9:05       ` Thomas Paulsen
2020-01-08 15:11 ` Nemo Nusquam
2020-01-08 15:37   ` Henry Bent
2020-01-18 14:22   ` Michael Parson
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2020-01-26 20:32 [TUHS] Screen editors Paul Ruizendaal
2020-01-26 23:14 ` Thomas Paulsen
     [not found] <20200120155946.169b39e0.ref@sagittariusa.cnb.csic.es>
2020-01-20 14:59 ` Jose R. Valverde via TUHS
2020-01-20 16:07   ` Toby Thain
2020-01-20 16:20     ` Larry McVoy
2020-01-31 18:21       ` Jose R. Valverde via TUHS
2020-01-29 22:24     ` Dave Horsfall
2020-01-29 22:33       ` Larry McVoy
2020-02-07 23:05         ` Dave Horsfall
2020-02-07 23:54           ` Richard Salz
2020-02-08  3:11             ` Dave Horsfall
2020-02-08  3:38               ` Ronald Natalie
2020-02-08  0:05           ` Bakul Shah
2020-01-29 23:00       ` Thomas Paulsen
2020-01-26 18:28   ` arnold
2020-01-26 18:33     ` Adam Thornton
2020-01-26 18:36       ` arnold
2020-01-26 18:40       ` arnold
2020-01-26 19:11         ` Adam Thornton
2020-01-26 19:40     ` Jon Forrest
2020-01-26 20:08     ` Chet Ramey
2020-01-09 21:46 [TUHS] screen editors Norman Wilson
2020-01-09 22:10 ` Brantley Coile
2020-01-08  7:39 Thomas Paulsen
2020-01-08 15:58 ` Steve Nickolas
2020-01-08 23:41   ` Dave Horsfall
2020-01-09  1:43     ` Nemo Nusquam
2020-01-08 21:49 ` Dave Horsfall
2020-01-08 22:01   ` Clem Cole
2020-01-17 23:38     ` Dave Horsfall
2020-01-18  0:07       ` Ryan Casalino
2020-01-18 23:02       ` greg travis
2020-01-10  8:13   ` markus schnalke
2020-01-10  8:17     ` U'll Be King of the Stars
2020-01-11 19:58       ` markus schnalke
2020-01-11 20:54         ` Derek Fawcus
2020-01-11 21:27         ` Henry Bent
2020-02-04  8:40         ` Sijmen J. Mulder
2020-01-10 15:31     ` Nemo Nusquam
2020-01-10 16:04       ` Clem Cole
2020-01-10 17:10       ` Dan Cross
2020-01-10 17:18         ` Steve Nickolas
2020-01-18  1:55           ` Michael Parson
2020-01-10 15:58     ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2020-01-07 19:57 Doug McIlroy
2020-01-07 20:17 ` Brantley Coile
2020-01-07 20:47 ` Bakul Shah
2020-01-07  2:31 Doug McIlroy
2020-01-07  2:37 ` Brantley Coile
2020-01-07  2:38 ` Larry McVoy
2020-01-07 16:30   ` arnold
2020-01-07 16:38     ` Richard Salz
2020-01-07 18:32     ` Dan Cross
2020-01-07 19:14     ` Thomas Paulsen
2020-01-09  5:01       ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2020-01-10  8:16         ` ricercar
2020-01-08  0:10     ` Jon Steinhart
2020-01-17 22:06       ` Dave Horsfall
2020-01-08 18:30     ` Mary Ann Horton
2020-01-08 21:41       ` Thomas Paulsen
2020-01-09  8:30       ` arnold
2020-01-07  6:19 ` Dave Horsfall
2020-01-07  8:24   ` Thomas Paulsen
2020-01-07 20:44     ` Dave Horsfall
2020-01-08 15:29   ` Steve Mynott
2020-01-08 23:31     ` Dave Horsfall
2020-01-07  9:43 ` ullbeking
2020-01-07 14:53   ` Dan Cross
2020-01-07 19:35   ` Rodrigo G. López
2020-01-08  5:13     ` Mark van Atten
2020-01-07 15:03 ` Clem Cole
2020-01-07 15:50 ` Thomas Paulsen
2020-01-07 20:45   ` Chet Ramey
2020-01-07 21:20     ` Derek Fawcus

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