From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id cf8da6ad for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2019 08:48:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 01EA99B9DF; Wed, 18 Sep 2019 18:48:52 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA4CB94797; Wed, 18 Sep 2019 18:48:33 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 2720894797; Wed, 18 Sep 2019 18:48:31 +1000 (AEST) Received: from knecht.neophilic.com (knecht.neophilic.com [70.36.157.234]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3F6A1946BD for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2019 18:48:30 +1000 (AEST) Received: from irma.neophilic.com ([85.19.198.114]) (authenticated bits=0) by knecht.neophilic.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id x8I8mQah012603 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2019 01:48:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tuhs@eric.allman.name) X-Authentication-Warning: knecht.neophilic.com: Host [85.19.198.114] claimed to be irma.neophilic.com To: TUHS main list References: <20190911181101.GF3143@mcvoy.com> <20190912034346.GJ2046@mcvoy.com> <1457a2d6-2f17-482d-e4f7-ace439d34ca8@neophilic.com> <8db2e89c-ce50-a453-e38a-ecdfe69a746c@e-bbes.com> <20190913211104.aMZXy%steffen@sdaoden.eu> <20190913211751.GF2046@mcvoy.com> <20190913230312.XaeCQ%steffen@sdaoden.eu> <20190914015517.GD12480@mcvoy.com> <20190916172300.cjlkf%steffen@sdaoden.eu> From: Eric Allman Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Autocrypt: addr=tuhs@eric.allman.name; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= mQENBFwoCwwBCADxJMPm0KuZkIvW3RxS0qVzFaRYuJkdJE00GhLgHIv3mFHAWT/EHoHGKkX1 wFNHDW2GwslMowPy4HVA00cNC5Qy/8CsEhmfSFQEQXX/BPTseXMHWPcBbS+s7e+irrCUYJ9u faz5KdBD0XeKYqeOIx1oSiyooUY4Ucse5BwBCtyGXsDbFU9uTeBxb4+yDX7X/wyH0AZXGMIy ZKS/PQV2c8htu9pDATzvSVP3cLEjkvjoBDej0ZsG3JhriMOkrSzydjVlSQ+Ju0X1A8mC5HtK sE1iFUlNIWSU8lcMFr66x/u3S4RSiQ0sgiNBfx+a7lMKWK8fjk7v9TlH0aITlfUi43IbABEB AAG0I0VyaWMgUC4gQWxsbWFuIDxlcmljQG5lb3BoaWxpYy5jb20+iQFUBBMBCAA+FiEEOn4k LhdDoWlWiTE1pEphuxBg6N0FAlwoCwwCGwMFCQPCZwAFCwkIBwIGFQoJCAsCBBYCAwECHgEC F4AACgkQpEphuxBg6N2QGAf/V2OCKhLnRPfi9qHeXDbtwSagme1HU2h7d+DOnlzVS14YoUOM SPUEGFxWj26/16HLqZDlbqCt6iBgxRL/DF3M94iOIGz50byblrjcC/Ohw62dI8jobF3XSXAa YonpcEed2lQkk5lr6anLRKzGJdxSxSozOlwb4Cbi8Xc+O1idqclCqXYe1gHpYzYz5xgrhxDF wt+3t10DZPJfGcHjuq/BXGT/pp8uJPYqs7iKvd/RrbOG2ZjP0Wu+j+4kkwh+gD9feeSEuuMm DBkK9A0c1fYQTaFzKGhr8dd/n/tCaPax+QlE03xRMY3ZNFOi4+ns+qAtU4bhFx+D1kqpq5L8 LWJrb7kBDQRcKAsMAQgAv2pP9idQ6tGdKRraqxCyyMsHTLd88OsN1PnBv3jsj8sNw49P5B7b pLR0Qlk1tbACRw9rGTncUdALSDTjLS8Lb6i1xdgb2ULGZLwWL0oRHbGl96tVt20K/C1/16Lo tTjnQBX6CZ7CmBAtAY6Ct7pyxntOfJs3LWPpnxYcmX5Lwomg8J7I2WzbU1M1jugi96wRS2Gi rvEG8tHZ9uYCPISFK7/zxij2qYm5GquELmxYyRtcdzuLTpNGqcx4JHEJA02fAZHChnM6/gEn b4UIkPGqtk2nEyH+jR7hRPgjLh+DC6+4iehMaPyUljoEdyqLsBLyPv7U0k3pMXAO/rUp+O33 /wARAQABiQE8BBgBCAAmFiEEOn4kLhdDoWlWiTE1pEphuxBg6N0FAlwoCwwCGwwFCQPCZwAA CgkQpEphuxBg6N0sQQf/VfKZ0s1g6yGeg8aVanyIrXIJAbeoJrOpKP3C+7mFrtMemXz5O/ug b9IouLQNM9LRnS//E8HQ1UwdmB2SBGEViy+m7tp0E+I0B+qTI95wipXD7crW98icUC5hvSg3 1OII+guZ+jzOCI68Nune2spb1qBkz0fKD4dzpyrz0yQ8FJMjBj5U8GdpHbQo93HC8rBtTwH+ UutcKCnt765XSOmAwHbkqj9W8XTUYPBW69At+mFJ/wvZzOIdNPCrHANX4L4A/naj4PQmkeJc eyRRpZBT1FK9vB89yegP7odgPIycfs4CN07kl16r3lidfRiLPx4jOHQ6LMGHqIvDrEumhyjA UQ== Message-ID: <94341a28-723a-f177-f658-0c827b35591b@neophilic.com> Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2019 10:48:26 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.13; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20190916172300.cjlkf%steffen@sdaoden.eu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [TUHS] SCCS X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" On 2019-09-16 19:23 , Steffen Nurpmeso wrote: > One thing he says, and which is an interesting part of this > thread, is > > The statement of Eric Allman that Tichy used SCCS version > 1 i cannot believe, because Tichy's releases are from 1982, and > SCCS version 4 was released as earyl as February 1977. SCCS > version 3 used a binary history format, by the way. > > That should have addressed Eric Allman, but the longer i use email > in the public space the more i like that pub-like feeling. (And > not going to add that it reminds me of my childhood, where i was > a boy under elder seasoned men _also_.) I did not claim that Tichy used SCCS v1. It's worse than that. He only read the IEEE paper, which pre-dated RCS --- so far as I know he never even tried SCCS release 4 (current at the time Tichy published), which fixed the obvious problem in the release 1 design as originally published. Despite careful descriptions of the changes, he refused to stop slandering SCCS. He was truly standing on toes, not shoulders. eric