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From: bakul@bitblocks.com (Bakul Shah)
Subject: [TUHS] UNIX of choice these days?
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2017 09:14:13 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <94BE6C6C-9625-4614-A92C-1741A55DA390@bitblocks.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.11.1709251642450.22527@grey.csi.cam.ac.uk>

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I have known about capsicum (& have been a fan of capabilities since
late 70s - even used a form of them in my last job!) but my point was to
suggest unix kernel simplification and something like that may fall out
naturally rather than having to be bolted on. Rather than write an OS
from scratch, incrementally evolve what works. Writing something from
scratch is always easier but you also end up relearning the same
lessons + much harder to get acceptance. But an embrace and extend
model ala C to C++ or what GNU programs have done stands a better
chance. Except that I’m suggesting “extending” by simplifying!

> On Sep 25, 2017, at 8:45 AM, Tony Finch <dot at dotat.at> wrote:
> 
> Bakul Shah <bakul at bitblocks.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I think a few changes can make Unix much more plan9 like.
>> Things like: file descriptors are actually capabilities (or
>> handles, for short) and each process starts with a set of
>> handles and it can only reach those resources that its handles
>> allow. It can also gain new handles via operations on existing
>> handles. Right here you can see that a process is already
>> sandboxed. You don't need containers or jails!
> 
> You can opt-in to this way of working by using the capsicum API,
> http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/research/security/capsicum/
> but that's really intended for programs to discipline themselves rather
> than as something pervasive.
> 
> Tony.
> -- 
> f.anthony.n.finch  <dot at dotat.at>  http://dotat.at/  -  I xn--zr8h punycode
> Portland, Plymouth, Biscay: Northwest 4 or 5, becoming variable 3 or 4 later.
> Moderate or rough, becoming slight or moderate. Mainly fair. Moderate or good.



  reply	other threads:[~2017-09-25 16:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 154+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-09-20  0:12 Arthur Krewat
2017-09-20  0:26 ` Larry McVoy
2017-09-20  0:39 ` Dave Horsfall
2017-09-20  1:03   ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2017-09-20 20:56     ` jason-tuhs
2017-09-23  9:17   ` Dario Niedermann
2017-09-23  9:36     ` Steve Mynott
2017-09-23 10:03       ` Dario Niedermann
2017-09-23 23:04         ` Dave Horsfall
2017-09-24  0:11           ` Random832
2017-09-24  1:19             ` Dave Horsfall
2017-09-24 13:46       ` Andy Kosela
2017-09-24 14:02         ` ron minnich
2017-09-24 14:06           ` Larry McVoy
2017-09-24 20:36             ` Kurt H Maier
2017-09-24 21:38               ` Bakul Shah
2017-09-24 23:36                 ` Dave Horsfall
2017-09-24 23:50                   ` Steve Nickolas
2017-09-25  0:03                     ` Wesley Parish
2017-09-25 15:36                       ` Tony Finch
2017-09-26  0:42                         ` Wesley Parish
2017-09-26  9:54                           ` Tony Finch
2017-09-26 14:41                           ` Larry McVoy
2017-09-26 17:34                             ` Bakul Shah
2017-09-26 17:39                               ` Warner Losh
2017-09-26 18:26                                 ` Bakul Shah
2017-09-26 17:43                               ` Larry McVoy
2017-09-26 19:44                                 ` Grant Taylor
2017-09-26 23:22                             ` Wesley Parish
2017-09-25  0:51                     ` Charles Anthony
2017-09-25  0:36                   ` Dan Cross
2017-09-25  0:44                     ` Grant Taylor
2017-09-25  0:56                   ` Bakul Shah
2017-09-25 15:45                     ` Tony Finch
2017-09-25 16:14                       ` Bakul Shah [this message]
2017-09-25  7:41                   ` Andy Kosela
2017-09-25  7:43                     ` Cory Smelosky
2017-09-25 10:14                       ` Andy Kosela
2017-09-25  9:58                     ` Steve Nickolas
2017-09-25 11:14                       ` Derek Fawcus
2017-09-25 11:48                       ` Andrew Warkentin
2017-09-24 15:26           ` Christian Barthel
2017-09-24 17:33             ` Clem Cole
2017-09-24 17:33           ` Clem Cole
2017-09-24 17:51             ` [TUHS] RFS was: " Arthur Krewat
2017-09-24 19:54               ` Clem Cole
2017-09-24 21:59                 ` Arthur Krewat
2017-09-24 22:08                 ` Arthur Krewat
2017-09-24 23:52                   ` Clem Cole
2017-09-27  8:44                 ` arnold
2017-09-27 15:25                   ` Arthur Krewat
2017-09-27 15:49                     ` arnold
2017-09-27 17:38                   ` Mantas Mikulėnas
2017-09-27 23:01                   ` Kevin Bowling
2017-09-27 23:11                     ` Clem Cole
2017-09-27 23:13                       ` Kevin Bowling
2017-09-28  0:39                         ` Larry McVoy
2017-09-28  3:19                           ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-09-28 13:45                             ` Larry McVoy
2017-09-28 17:12                               ` Steve Johnson
2017-09-28 17:58                                 ` [TUHS] Bill Joy was: Re: RFS Forrest, Jon
2017-09-28  0:54                         ` [TUHS] RFS was: Re: UNIX of choice these days? Dave Horsfall
2017-09-28  0:59                           ` William Pechter
2017-09-28 13:49                         ` arnold
2017-09-28 14:07                           ` Larry McVoy
2017-09-28 14:28                             ` arnold
2017-09-28 19:49                               ` Larry McVoy
2017-09-28 20:00                             ` Bakul Shah
2017-09-28 14:27                           ` Clem Cole
2017-09-28 22:08                             ` Dave Horsfall
2017-09-28 22:20                               ` Larry McVoy
2017-09-29  2:23                                 ` Kevin Bowling
2017-09-29  8:59                                 ` Andreas Kusalananda Kähäri
2017-09-29 14:20                                   ` Clem Cole
2017-09-29 16:46                                   ` Grant Taylor
2017-09-29 17:02                                     ` Kurt H Maier
2017-09-29 17:27                                       ` Pete Wright
2017-09-29 18:11                                       ` Grant Taylor
2017-09-29 18:47                                     ` Andreas Kusalananda Kähäri
2017-09-29 15:22                                 ` George Ross
2017-09-29 18:40                                   ` Don Hopkins
2017-09-29 19:03                                     ` Larry McVoy
2017-09-29 21:24                                     ` Arthur Krewat
2017-09-29 22:11                                       ` Don Hopkins
2017-09-29 22:21                                         ` Don Hopkins
2017-09-29 19:19                                 ` Dan Cross
2017-09-29 19:22                                   ` Larry McVoy
2017-09-29 20:52                                   ` Jon Forrest
2017-09-23 23:00     ` [TUHS] " Dave Horsfall
2017-09-26 22:00     ` Christian Groessler
2017-09-20  4:42 ` Grant Taylor
2017-09-20  8:31   ` Mutiny 
2017-09-20  9:15 ` Steve Nickolas
2017-09-20 16:58   ` Arthur Krewat
2017-09-20 17:05     ` Steve Nickolas
2017-09-20 17:53     ` Henry Bent
2017-09-20 18:12       ` Arthur Krewat
2017-09-20 18:33         ` Brad Spencer
2017-09-20 19:20           ` Henry Bent
2017-09-20 19:37           ` Arthur Krewat
2017-09-20 19:58             ` Jacob Ritorto
2017-09-20 22:29               ` Ian Zimmerman
2017-09-20 22:31                 ` Warner Losh
2017-09-20 12:52 ` Chet Ramey
2017-09-20 13:33 ` Nemo
2017-09-20 15:39 ` Clem Cole
2017-09-20 15:42 ` Jon Steinhart
2017-09-20 16:58   ` Ian Zimmerman
2017-09-20 17:09     ` Jon Steinhart
2017-09-20 17:31     ` Arthur Krewat
2017-09-20 22:40 ` Steve Simon
2017-09-20 22:51   ` Erik Berls
2017-09-20 23:37 ` Robert Brockway
2017-09-21  1:47 ` Derrik Walker v2.0
2017-09-21  3:54 ` Gregg Levine
2017-09-21 14:33 ` Nicholas Chappell
2017-09-21 16:38   ` Mutiny 
2017-09-21 16:42     ` gilbertmm
2017-09-21 18:30     ` Grant Taylor
2017-09-21 23:34     ` Dave Horsfall
2017-09-25 10:36 ` Thomas Kellar
2017-09-21  2:28 Rudi Blom
2017-09-23 23:39 Nelson H. F. Beebe
2017-09-25 12:07 Norman Wilson
2017-09-25 14:16 ` Clem Cole
2017-09-25 15:13   ` Warner Losh
2017-09-25 16:51     ` Warner Losh
2017-09-26  0:56       ` ron minnich
2017-09-25 15:18   ` Larry McVoy
2017-09-25 15:30     ` Warner Losh
2017-09-25 23:49     ` Dave Horsfall
2017-09-26  2:06       ` Chet Ramey
2017-09-26 14:53         ` Larry McVoy
2017-09-26 15:17           ` Chet Ramey
2017-09-26 21:23           ` Dave Horsfall
2017-09-26 21:43             ` Arthur Krewat
2017-09-26 21:45             ` Grant Taylor
2017-09-27  0:58               ` Dave Horsfall
2017-09-27  1:37                 ` Chet Ramey
2017-09-27  2:02                   ` Larry McVoy
2017-09-27 13:50                     ` Chet Ramey
2017-09-27 14:17                       ` Larry McVoy
2017-09-28  8:10                         ` Derek Fawcus
2017-09-28 12:34                           ` Chet Ramey
     [not found]                             ` <20170928174420.GA41732@accordion.employees.org>
2017-09-28 17:57                               ` Derek Fawcus
2017-09-28 18:04                                 ` Chet Ramey
2017-09-27  3:42                   ` Dave Horsfall
2017-09-27 14:35                     ` Chet Ramey
2017-09-25 12:46 [TUHS] Unix " Doug McIlroy
2017-09-25 13:57 ` Clem Cole
2017-09-30 15:17 [TUHS] UNIX " Norman Wilson
2017-09-30 20:29 ` Kevin Bowling
2017-09-30 21:56   ` Bakul Shah
2017-09-30 22:37     ` Kevin Bowling

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