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[107.215.223.229]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 98e67ed59e1d1-2c99a98395csm2249364a91.29.2024.07.04.19.42.29 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 04 Jul 2024 19:42:29 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3774.600.62\)) In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2024 19:42:18 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <94C7522E-F887-4962-ACB9-27DFB3AF47E6@iitbombay.org> References: <93529CA0-7097-443C-999B-384BE6BD5683@canb.auug.org.au> <17b4e96d-724d-0394-7a95-50be7a76f695@riddermarkfarm.ca> <20240705001247.GK26356@mcvoy.com> To: Adam Thornton X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3774.600.62) Message-ID-Hash: RM7D2F64O2527OHIENGLUNPUMKZHWY4T X-Message-ID-Hash: RM7D2F64O2527OHIENGLUNPUMKZHWY4T X-MailFrom: bakul@iitbombay.org X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Anyone ever heard of teaching a case study of Initial Unix? List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: From: Bakul Shah via TUHS Reply-To: Bakul Shah X-Spam: Yes A better analogy might be to compare early employees (especially = engineers) to stem cells. They are the type of people that can (& are = willing to) do pretty much anything but over time end up specializing in = a few things. I have done things like look at office spaces, set up = furniture, order machines & office supplies, select ISP, wired up the = place, and many sysadmin things, dealt with janitorial services, = selecting insurance, payroll services, debugged issues not related to = engineering, many interviews (tech and otherwise), dealt with vendors & = headhunters, set up guidelines, software systems, documentation, etc. = etc. As times goes on you let go and get out of people's way and focus = on where you're most effective (or where there is temporarily no one = else). > On Jul 4, 2024, at 7:24=E2=80=AFPM, Adam Thornton = wrote: >=20 > Two replies to things Larry said: >=20 > ARM or one of the smaller RISC-V flavor-sets (RISC-V is super-modular) = would be a perfectly reasonable architecture to learn these days. After = the PDP-11 but before ARM I'd'a suggested 68000. Definitely NOT x86 and = its betentacled descendants. Even so, you'd still want to treat it (if = you're learning "how do computers work?") as if it were not superscalar, = even though it obviously is. Which I guess is pushing me into "please = let me just pretend it's a PDP-11 and keep all the scary pipelining and = speculative execution and all the things that are hard to reason about = below the layer where I need to care" territory. >=20 > And yeah, if you need me to sweep the floors, I'll sweep the floors, = but if I'm needed to sweep the floors often, there's a management = problem here, in that you can hire people who are much better at = sweeping floors than I am for much less money than you hired me to do = software engineering for. >=20 > Adam