Re: [TUHS] 68k prototypes & microcode

[Toby Thain <toby@telegraphics.com.au>]

On 2021-02-12 11:34 p.m., Jason Stevens wrote:
> Apparently they are getting 68040 levels of performance with a Pi...  and
> that interpreted.  Going with JIT it's way higher.

Before we get too breathless, this is roughly what was achieved with a
PowerPC 601 emulating 68K ...approximately 28 years ago.

--T


> 
> 	-----Original Message-----
> 	From:	Gregg Levine [SMTP:gregg.drwho8@gmail.com]
> 	Sent:	Saturday, February 13, 2021 10:30 AM
> 	To:	Jason Stevens; The Eunuchs Hysterical Society
> 	Subject:	Re: [TUHS] 68k prototypes & microcode
> 
> 	An amazing idea.
> 	-----
> 	Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8@gmail.com
> 	"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
> 
> 	On Fri, Feb 12, 2021 at 7:51 PM Jason Stevens
> 	<jsteve@superglobalmegacorp.com> wrote:
> 	>
> 	> You might find this interesting
> 	>
> 	> https://twitter.com/i/status/1320767372853190659
> 	> <https://twitter.com/i/status/1320767372853190659>
> 	>
> 	> It's a pi (arm) running Musashi a 68000 core, but using voltage
> buffers it's
> 	> plugged into the 68000 socket of an Amiga!
> 	>
> 	> You can find more info on their github:
> 	>
> 	> https://github.com/captain-amygdala/pistorm
> 	> <https://github.com/captain-amygdala/pistorm>
> 	>
> 	> Maybe we are at the point where numerous cheap CPU's can eliminate
> FPGA's?
> 	>
> 	>         -----Original Message-----
> 	>         From:   Michael Parson [SMTP:mparson@bl.org]
> 	>         Sent:   Friday, February 05, 2021 10:43 PM
> 	>         To:     The Eunuchs Hysterical Society
> 	>         Subject:        Re: [TUHS] 68k prototypes & microcode
> 	>
> 	>         On 2021-02-04 16:47, Henry Bent wrote:
> 	>         > On Thu, Feb 4, 2021, 17:40 Adam Thornton
> <athornton@gmail.com>
> 	> wrote:
> 	>         >
> 	>         >> I'm probably Stockholm Syndrommed about 6502.  It's
> what I grew
> 	> up on,
> 	>         >> and
> 	>         >> I still like it a great deal.  Admittedly
> register-starved (well,
> 	>
> 	>         >> unless
> 	>         >> you consider the zero page a whole page of registers),
> 	> but...simple,
> 	>         >> easy
> 	>         >> to fit in your head, kinda wonderful.
> 	>         >>
> 	>         >> I'd love a 64-bit 6502-alike (but I'd probably give it
> more than
> 	> three
> 	>         >> registers).  I mean given how little silicon (or how
> few FPGA
> 	> gates) a
> 	>         >> reasonable version of that would take, might as well
> include
> 	> 65C02 and
> 	>         >> 65816 cores in there too with some sort of
> mode-switching
> 	> instruction.
> 	>         >> Wouldn't a 6502ish with 64-bit wordsize and a 64-bit
> address bus
> 	> be
> 	>         >> fun?
> 	>         >> Throw in an onboard MMU and FPU too, I suppose, and
> then you
> 	> could
> 	>         >> have a
> 	>         >> real system on it.
> 	>         >>
> 	>         >>
> 	>         > Sounds like a perfect project for an FPGA.  If there's
> already a
> 	> 6502
> 	>         > implementation out there, converting to 64 bit should be
> fairly
> 	> easy.
> 	>
> 	>         There are FPGA implementations of the 6502 out there. If
> you've not
> 	> seen
> 	>         it, check out the MiSTer[0] project, FPGA implementations
> of a LOT
> 	> of
> 	>         computers, going back as far as the EDSAC, PDP-1, a LOT of
> 8, 16,
> 	> and 32
> 	>         bit systems from the 70s and 80s along with gaming
> consoles from the
> 	> 70s
> 	>         and 80s.
> 	>
> 	>         Keeping this semi-TUHS related, one guy[1] has even
> implemented a
> 	>         Sparc 32m[2] (I think maybe an SS10), which boots SunOS 4,
> 5, Linux,
> 	>         NetBSD, and even the Sparc version of NeXTSTEP, but it's
> not part of
> 	> the
> 	>         "official" MiSTer bits (yet?).
> 	>
> 	>         --
> 	>         Michael Parson
> 	>         Pflugerville, TX
> 	>         KF5LGQ
> 	>
> 	>         [0] https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Main_MiSTer/wiki
> 	>         [1] https://temlib.org/site/
> 	>         [2] https://temlib.org/pub/mister/SS/
>