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List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: We had NCP running on the JHU kernel which essentially a V6 kernel with extr= a stuff (including the ability to mount both V6 and V7 disks). This was don= e on an 11/34 at Xmas time 1982 when the Arpanet went to long leaders and th= e UofIll ANTS we had became obsolete.=20 > On Jul 17, 2022, at 19:40, jnc@mercury.lcs.mit.edu wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BF >>=20 >> From: Warner Losh >=20 >>> What's "net unix" anyway? >=20 >> I'm referring to the University of Illinois distribution >=20 > Ah, OK. >=20 >> I have seen references to it in the ARPAnet census documents running on >> both V6 and V7 (though mostly they were silent about which version). >=20 > Well, V7 came out in January, 1979, and NCP wasn't turned off until Januar= y, > 1983, so people had a lot of time to get it running under V7. >=20 >> I thought this was the normal nomenclature of the time, but I may be >> mistaken. >=20 > I'm not sure what it was usually called; we didn't have much contact with i= t > at MIT (although I had the source; I'm the one that provided it to TUHS). >=20 > The problem was that although MIT had two IMPs, all the ports on them were= > spoken for, for big time-sharing mainframes (4 PDP-10's running ITS; 1 > running TWENEX; a Multics), so there were no ports available to plug in a > lowly PDP-11. (We were unable to get an IP gateway (router) onto the ARPAN= ET > until MIT got some of the first C/30 IMPs.) So we had no use for the NCP U= nix > (which I vaguely recall was described as 'the ARPANET Unix from UIll'). >=20 > Noel