From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 3938 invoked from network); 13 May 2022 02:04:53 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 13 May 2022 02:04:53 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id DD6F59D0D0; Fri, 13 May 2022 12:04:51 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 565769CF64; Fri, 13 May 2022 12:04:09 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id AD62E9CF64; Fri, 13 May 2022 12:04:07 +1000 (AEST) Received: from neener.bl.org (neener.bl.org [50.116.26.109]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D3F19CEFC for ; Fri, 13 May 2022 12:04:07 +1000 (AEST) Received: from neener.bl.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by neener.bl.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id 24D246ck009434 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 12 May 2022 21:04:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (mparson@localhost) by neener.bl.org (8.15.2/8.12.8/Submit) with ESMTP id 24D246OD027620 for ; Thu, 12 May 2022 21:04:06 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: neener.bl.org: mparson owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 12 May 2022 21:04:06 -0500 (CDT) From: Michael Parson To: TUHS main list In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <98b61318-3054-729-eb7b-f6d43525ea87@bl.org> References: <8b7daf0d-991a-e8be-9dff-63fe4fb688ab@gmail.com> <87pmo2leeg.fsf@loomcom.com> <454e6c44-d6cf-807a-41ef-f89773cde9ba@bl.org> X-Marks-The-Spot: --->X MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (neener.bl.org [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 12 May 2022 21:04:06 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [TUHS] Document management in Unix, back in the day? X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" On Fri, 13 May 2022, George Michaelson wrote: > heading off-piste, the Boox series are also worth looking at. Android, > anything android can do, a boox will do slowly in eInk. their version > of the reMarkable markup thing may not be as "good" but its the > alternate, and alternate pricepoint. I love my Boox Nova Air. I carry with me just about everywhere. I can read the book I'm currently reading, plus I also scribble notes and doodles in the note app. I've doodled ideas for things I later work up in FreeCAD for 3D printing. If my focus was more on the note taking and drawing, I'd have gone for the bigger, closer to sheet-of-paper sized devices, but I primarily wanted an e-ink e-reader that could also do other things. So far, I've been very impressed with the other things it could do. I've been a fan of e-ink displays for a long time. I really wish someone would make a reasonbly priced 20+ inch e-ink monitor. Most of the stuff I deal with is in text, and working with text on an e-ink display would be so much easier on the eyes. I only mentioned the reMarkable because it seems to be one of the popular ones out there, or maybe they just have better marketing. I think my wife said that one of the women she works with at her design firm has a reMarkable and loves it. > when I think about the BSD manuals, bound with steel rods, in a metal > construct welded to the desk at the back of the lab. Wonderful source > of knowledge. Or.. the VMS fiche set, and the reader. you want to fix > this problem? ok, if you learn Bliss32, then everything is in this > stack of blue-grey plastic, if your eyes are good enough. No peeking. > > I think the experiential aspects of 2D thinking with pens, on paper > are lost online. I totally don't engage with "visualisations" beyond > the very very good. It is very easy to avoid having to say why by > falling back on "my eyes aren't good" or "I don't understand this" but > in truth, I dont LIKE them. I like paper, and I miss fanfold printout. > Plus. I liked taking the boxes of it to kindergarden and handing them > over for the kids to write on. I miss fan-fold paper too... I pretty much quit printing out program listings when I quit having tractor-fed printers. It just wasn't the same. Also, no more multi-page big-text banners. :) -- Michael Parson Pflugerville, TX > On Fri, May 13, 2022 at 11:33 AM Michael Parson wrote: >> On Fri, 4 Feb 2022, John Cowan wrote: >>> On Fri, Feb 4, 2022 at 12:39 PM Seth J. Morabito wrote: >>> >>> Besides, it's fun to scribble notes all over printouts and Xeroxes :^) >>>> >>> >>> I mark up a printout with scribbles ("hourglasses and arrows and a >>> documentation resource for each one, sayin' what they was about, to be used >>> in evidence against us"[*]) and then re-transcribe them into the original >>> electronic doc. I wish I had a better approach that wasn't so >>> environmentally destructive, but I just don't notice errors as easily when >>> they're just on the screen. >> >> Have you looked into e-ink tablets? The reMarkable series seems to be >> pretty popular. I recently got a Boox Nova Air e-ink tablet, works >> great as an e-reader, but it also has a pretty decent PDF editor built >> in that lets you scribble all over PDF docs like they're paper. >> >> -- >> Michael Parson >> Pflugerville, TX >