From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: SHOPPA@trailing-edge.com (Tim Shoppa) Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 17:42:47 -0400 Subject: Usenix archives? Message-ID: <990502174247.20c01252@trailing-edge.com> A rescue yesterday yielded several 9-tracks claiming to be Usenix collections from the late 70's and early 80's. Are there any Usenix collections online that might be interested in copies? If not, would this material be appropriate for the PUPS archive, possibly in a trimmed or edited form? -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa at trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927 Received: (from major at localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA07967 for pups-liszt; Mon, 3 May 1999 09:05:27 +1000 (EST) Received: from henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (henry.cs.adfa.edu.au [131.236.21.158]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA07962 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 09:05:19 +1000 (EST) Received: (from wkt at localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.2/8.9.1) id JAA41888; Mon, 3 May 1999 09:03:24 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from wkt) From: Warren Toomey Message-Id: <199905022303.JAA41888 at henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Subject: Re: Usenix archives? In-Reply-To: <990502174247.20c01252 at trailing-edge.com> from Tim Shoppa at "May 2, 1999 5:42:47 pm" To: SHOPPA at trailing-edge.com (Tim Shoppa) Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 09:03:24 +1000 (EST) Cc: pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (Unix Heritage Society) Reply-To: wkt at cs.adfa.edu.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk In article by Tim Shoppa: > A rescue yesterday yielded several 9-tracks claiming to be Usenix > collections from the late 70's and early 80's. Are there any Usenix > collections online that might be interested in copies? If not, would > this material be appropriate for the PUPS archive, possibly in a trimmed > or edited form? Hi Tim, yes I think those tapes would be excellent material for the PUPS Archive. We already have some Usenix tapes in the archive: 2616 Applications/Usenix_77/ug091377-ar.tar.gz 10208 Applications/Spencer_Tapes/del.tar.gz 2688 Applications/Spencer_Tapes/tor79.tar.gz but of course more would be welcome. I'd be happy to take them untrimmed :-) Thanks! Warren Received: (from major at localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) id BAA10986 for pups-liszt; Tue, 4 May 1999 01:43:39 +1000 (EST) Received: from fudge.uchicago.edu (IDENT:eric at fudge.uchicago.edu [128.135.136.68]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA10981 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 01:43:28 +1000 (EST) Received: (from eric at localhost) by fudge.uchicago.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA10922; Mon, 3 May 1999 10:41:11 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 10:41:11 -0500 (CDT) From: Eric Fischer Message-Id: <199905031541.KAA10922 at fudge.uchicago.edu> To: pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Subject: SunOS 0.4 tape Sender: owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk When sorting through old things in the machine room here recently, Job Bogan came across an early QIC tape of SunOS. The label reads: Sun UNIX 4.2* Software Release 0.4 (*Berkeley Beta Release) 1/4" Boot Tape 1 of 2 700-0585-01 copyright (c) 1983 Sun Microsystems Unfortunately, when I attempted to read the tape, all I got was a tar file of a Fortran program dating from 1989. It didn't get very far into the tape, though, so parts of the original software may still be present -- but I don't know how to get past the end-of-tape mark to get at them. Any ideas? By the way, the Sun 1 that this tape goes with still exists, elsewhere on campus, but hasn't been in usable condition in years. eric Received: (from major at localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) id CAA11134 for pups-liszt; Tue, 4 May 1999 02:31:47 +1000 (EST) Received: from timaxp.trailing-edge.com (trailing-edge.wdn.com [198.232.144.27]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id CAA11129 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 02:31:36 +1000 (EST) Received: by timaxp.trailing-edge.com for PUPS at MINNIE.cs.adfa.EDU.AU; Mon, 3 May 1999 12:29:16 -0400 Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 12:29:16 -0400 From: Tim Shoppa To: PUPS at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Message-Id: <990503122916.20c010f3 at trailing-edge.com> Subject: Re: SunOS 0.4 tape Sender: owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk >When sorting through old things in the machine room here recently, >Job Bogan came across an early QIC tape of SunOS. The label reads: > > Sun UNIX 4.2* Software Release 0.4 > (*Berkeley Beta Release) > 1/4" Boot Tape 1 of 2 700-0585-01 > copyright (c) 1983 Sun Microsystems > >Unfortunately, when I attempted to read the tape, all I got was a >tar file of a Fortran program dating from 1989. So presumably someone decided to re-use this tape - and we hope they didn't reformat the tape first. > It didn't get very >far into the tape, though, so parts of the original software may >still be present -- but I don't know how to get past the end-of-tape >mark to get at them. Any ideas? QIC tape formats have physical sectors that the controller (in your case, most likely the SCSI controller that interfaces the drive to your SCSI bus) presents to the rest of the system as a series of logical tape records and tape marks. You can't get past the logical end-of-tape because the SCSI controller (not host adapter!) "knows" there's nothing past the logical end-of-tape. If you bypass this by going straight to the physical sectors, you can read the data following logical end-of-tape, assuming that the cartridge was never reformatted. Most SCSI QIC tape controllers will let you get at the physical sectors, but this is rarely supported by the OS and isn't always consistent from model to model and manufacturer to manufacturer. QIC tape standards are pretty well documented at http://www.qic.org/. For details on how your SCSI QIC drive can be forced to access physical sectors, it's best to go straight to the drive manufacturer's technical manuals. -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa at trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927