From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.3 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, NICE_REPLY_A autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 2124 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2022 14:26:10 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 14 Jan 2022 14:26:10 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 769639D4BD; Sat, 15 Jan 2022 00:26:09 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8B599D06B; Sat, 15 Jan 2022 00:25:53 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b="X57fzBrf"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 870899D06B; Sat, 15 Jan 2022 00:25:51 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-ot1-f54.google.com (mail-ot1-f54.google.com [209.85.210.54]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B76579CFC6 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2022 00:25:50 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-ot1-f54.google.com with SMTP id t6-20020a9d7746000000b005917e6b96ffso10205926otl.7 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2022 06:25:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=message-id:date:mime-version:user-agent:subject:content-language:to :references:from:in-reply-to; bh=QCcVVRRDfLnuzMFzZVHHecfm+eW5DTawjGcztzeEnOo=; b=X57fzBrfvilLinbKmBaLdHNaNRQx8nUYrCMCNcKY6u8fjhCW7NuLahOdzAfdAzwsiA QyZrtksHrfOSnYi2fPN4IrIyngtNhW4ATZuygPWr8pJNeDum82FHQGlfNNF/k7mAqsVs voSCstf0ZSga0m8HTX8+gCRHN+qHZPN9sdgqzN1GdhO44Au23Mr75KN5xCjRegULOlyL ib0ucsdR89p3imw3SdxQHn0a9j3NOXZ+ZIeth5qIlYe8l76I9p6X/pv6/aalwuhX4VRT TCUfj5uYGdFpabpxen5wXnZKKgc+seYps2ix0OiAJdU9eKiZFmMFkzUM30Hhap28rmcE FNDA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:date:mime-version:user-agent:subject :content-language:to:references:from:in-reply-to; bh=QCcVVRRDfLnuzMFzZVHHecfm+eW5DTawjGcztzeEnOo=; b=iCz3bxcpXQIemcby1MMeH/tQEHhHOAz4V0czYnsJVJc0dxmsMPidYp4kmQBpQ5lIWK t77pUigDFJUBJU+uyqTkYuxblXoPzgj1rNdb+TV/kzp2Or+MNEVHWN78z5ckc9kWk5XX BLHx/iFShLyZGF3X91rXRVfmQgFEmgdhdXDK1DDXV32hXhfHCw6YYkpLxFjhWf1s693X 8pS8Rs5HJ0srqVpGo/qu1z0IJ052Kf3z9zsxMJBz2TBKUxW+VwJbu2k1yneBZiHfOX7i jHZ51ODq/+EWksuN38DElgLCArM/TnwXkKb20IaFQJ6GVGKbLnvVuJpUqnimL94uf3b9 i0AQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5331o9CTWjqn6qAZYln4ZOtFmvvK46Vf18jl5vF5fTXfJo7A7hEw p/vefuDZ+BIFwhJi+TJfgF6ChfJlhKE= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzLKzvCYwPFoer+9fL4VLrEmoXGl3Cws2XSm/LL/dMljK++cFW6266K1nMdmBA8TYtp0OtdlA== X-Received: by 2002:a05:6830:2b0f:: with SMTP id l15mr7247302otv.42.1642170350018; Fri, 14 Jan 2022 06:25:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.8.0.2] ([185.247.70.125]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id k33sm1830108ooi.5.2022.01.14.06.25.49 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 14 Jan 2022 06:25:49 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------5XC7sDosVjFplFauU7OcArAt" Message-ID: <99de2f21-6c29-4156-efc6-98ea83d391fc@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2022 08:25:48 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/91.5.0 Content-Language: en-US To: Angelo Papenhoff , tuhs@tuhs.org References: <20220114130752.32F0218C090@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> From: Will Senn In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [TUHS] Brian Kernighan and very early *roff history X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------5XC7sDosVjFplFauU7OcArAt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 1/14/22 7:27 AM, Angelo Papenhoff wrote: > On 14/01/22, Noel Chiappa wrote: >> > From: Angelo Papenhoff >> >> > to my knowledge no troff version before the C rewrite in v7 >> >> Apologies if I missed something, but between this list and COFF there's so >> much low S/N traffic I skip a lot of it. Having said that, was there ever a >> troff in assembler? I'd always had the impression that the first one was in C. > Yes, they were both originally written in assembler. v6 has assembler > sources for nroff and deleted directory entries of troff (and others): > > 00064e00: 6d01 726f 6666 332e 7300 0000 0000 0000 m.roff3.s....... > 00064e10: 6c01 726f 6666 342e 7300 0000 0000 0000 l.roff4.s....... > 00064e20: 6b01 726f 6666 352e 7300 0000 0000 0000 k.roff5.s....... > 00064e30: 6a01 726f 6666 372e 7300 0000 0000 0000 j.roff7.s....... > 00064e40: 6901 726f 6666 382e 7300 0000 0000 0000 i.roff8.s....... > 00064e50: 0000 7375 6672 6300 0000 0000 0000 0000 ..sufrc......... > 00064e60: 6701 7375 6674 6162 2e73 0000 0000 0000 g.suftab.s...... > 00064e70: 0000 7463 6174 7369 6d2e 7300 0000 0000 ..tcatsim.s..... > 00064e80: 0000 7472 6300 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 ..trc........... > 00064e90: 0000 7472 6f66 6631 2e73 0000 0000 0000 ..troff1.s...... > 00064ea0: 0000 7472 6f66 6632 2e73 0000 0000 0000 ..troff2.s...... > 00064eb0: 0000 7472 6f66 6633 2e73 0000 0000 0000 ..troff3.s...... > 00064ec0: 0000 7472 6f66 6634 2e73 0000 0000 0000 ..troff4.s...... > 00064ed0: 0000 7472 6f66 6635 2e73 0000 0000 0000 ..troff5.s...... > 00064ee0: 0000 7472 6f66 6636 2e73 0000 0000 0000 ..troff6.s...... > 00064ef0: 0000 7472 6f66 6636 6100 0000 0000 0000 ..troff6a....... > 00064f00: 0000 7472 6f66 6638 2e73 0000 0000 0000 ..troff8.s...... > 00064f10: 0000 7878 7878 7800 0000 0000 0000 0000 ..xxxxx......... > >> So that one is a "troff version before the C rewrite in .. v7", but it is in >> C. Is that of any interest? > Without having looked into it more than you have it looks like it is > just an earlier version of the C code, but what I'm after is the > original assembly. > > aap I don't really know how deeply you've looked into this, but it may be of interest to you that Wollongong v6 on Interdata 32 has C sources for troff in /usr/source/troff: http://www.bitsavers.org/bits/Interdata/32bit/unix/univWollongong_v6/interdata_v6.tar.gz I know you're looking for assembler, but I also saw the comment "C rewrite in .. v7" in the message. It looks like a C version was available for v6. According to Miller's note: interdata_v6.tar.gz a 'tar' format archive (with dates preserved) of all files as they would appear after installing the distribution, with source and documentation in /usr/source and /usr/doc respectively; note however that special files in /dev appear as ordinary files The troff dir has date Jun 6, 1978. According to the readme, it was untested (maybe even unported?). Will --------------5XC7sDosVjFplFauU7OcArAt Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
On 1/14/22 7:27 AM, Angelo Papenhoff wrote:
On 14/01/22, Noel Chiappa wrote:

    > From: Angelo Papenhoff

    > to my knowledge no troff version before the C rewrite in v7

Apologies if I missed something, but between this list and COFF there's so
much low S/N traffic I skip a lot of it. Having said that, was there ever a
troff in assembler? I'd always had the impression that the first one was in C.

Yes, they were both originally written in assembler. v6 has assembler
sources for nroff and deleted directory entries of troff (and others):

00064e00: 6d01 726f 6666 332e 7300 0000 0000 0000  m.roff3.s.......
00064e10: 6c01 726f 6666 342e 7300 0000 0000 0000  l.roff4.s.......
00064e20: 6b01 726f 6666 352e 7300 0000 0000 0000  k.roff5.s.......
00064e30: 6a01 726f 6666 372e 7300 0000 0000 0000  j.roff7.s.......
00064e40: 6901 726f 6666 382e 7300 0000 0000 0000  i.roff8.s.......
00064e50: 0000 7375 6672 6300 0000 0000 0000 0000  ..sufrc.........
00064e60: 6701 7375 6674 6162 2e73 0000 0000 0000  g.suftab.s......
00064e70: 0000 7463 6174 7369 6d2e 7300 0000 0000  ..tcatsim.s.....
00064e80: 0000 7472 6300 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000  ..trc...........
00064e90: 0000 7472 6f66 6631 2e73 0000 0000 0000  ..troff1.s......
00064ea0: 0000 7472 6f66 6632 2e73 0000 0000 0000  ..troff2.s......
00064eb0: 0000 7472 6f66 6633 2e73 0000 0000 0000  ..troff3.s......
00064ec0: 0000 7472 6f66 6634 2e73 0000 0000 0000  ..troff4.s......
00064ed0: 0000 7472 6f66 6635 2e73 0000 0000 0000  ..troff5.s......
00064ee0: 0000 7472 6f66 6636 2e73 0000 0000 0000  ..troff6.s......
00064ef0: 0000 7472 6f66 6636 6100 0000 0000 0000  ..troff6a.......
00064f00: 0000 7472 6f66 6638 2e73 0000 0000 0000  ..troff8.s......
00064f10: 0000 7878 7878 7800 0000 0000 0000 0000  ..xxxxx.........


So that one is a "troff version before the C rewrite in .. v7", but it is in
C. Is that of any interest?

Without having looked into it more than you have it looks like it is
just an earlier version of the C code, but what I'm after is the
original assembly.

aap
I don't really know how deeply you've looked into this, but it may be of interest to you that Wollongong v6 on Interdata 32 has C sources for troff in /usr/source/troff:
http://www.bitsavers.org/bits/Interdata/32bit/unix/univWollongong_v6/interdata_v6.tar.gz

I know you're looking for assembler, but I also saw the comment "C rewrite in .. v7" in the message. It looks like a C version was available for v6. According to Miller's note:
interdata_v6.tar.gz
  a 'tar' format archive (with dates preserved) of all files as
  they would appear after installing the distribution, with source
  and documentation in /usr/source and /usr/doc respectively; note
  however that special files in /dev appear as ordinary files
The troff dir has date Jun 6, 1978. According to the readme, it was untested (maybe even unported?).

Will


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