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[107.215.223.229]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id t7-20020a9d66c7000000b0061c9ccb051bsm3018412otm.37.2022.09.22.11.44.37 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 22 Sep 2022 11:44:38 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3696.120.41.1.1\)) From: Bakul Shah In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2022 11:44:37 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <9A2AD8B6-CFAD-4585-B9B2-31341F2D6A17@iitbombay.org> References: <202209212149.28LLnV1J032395@ultimate.com> To: Dan Cross X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3696.120.41.1.1) Message-ID-Hash: SAZFS4BLGOK7GDHABWSJ43FCJPVFMH6R X-Message-ID-Hash: SAZFS4BLGOK7GDHABWSJ43FCJPVFMH6R X-MailFrom: bakul@iitbombay.org X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: "tuhs@tuhs.org" X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Early BSD license thread List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: On Sep 22, 2022, at 10:44 AM, Dan Cross wrote: >=20 > On Thu, Sep 22, 2022 at 3:08 AM Andy Kosela = wrote: >> On Thursday, September 22, 2022, Dan Cross wrote: >>> On Wed, Sep 21, 2022 at 5:50 PM Phil Budne = wrote: >>>> Not to excuse the failure of the BSD team to properly attribute = source >>>> origin by adding only their copyright notice, but didn't AT&T try >>>> unfair turnabout by not properly attributing the origins of their >>>> TCP/IP code? >>>=20 >>> One of my favorite copyright notices was for /bin/true in System V. >>> An empty file got turned into 7 lines of comments holding copyright >>> boilerplate and an `#ident` line with an SCCS version number: >>> progress! >>=20 >> That reminds me of the excellent dissertation of Gerald Holzmann on = Code Inflation[1]. The situation is even worse now and honestly I don't = see it will improve in the future. My take on the code inflation = problem is that today without paid "volunteers" (from IBM, Oracle, = Google, etc.) a large chunk of our modern software landscape would just = collapse. It is not 90s Internet anymore where hobbyists did it for = fun, because frankly back then it was fun... Nowadays... not that much. >=20 > Indeed. Ted has made this point frequently; Linux for example > basically requires corporate sponsors to get new features into > the kernel. Sure, some individual might come up with a great > idea and implementation that'll make it in, but that's the exception > rather than the norm. >=20 > The flip side is that there's a lot of load-bearing infrastructure > that is barely maintained, if at all. This xkcd seems perennially > relevant: https://xkcd.com/2347/ >=20 > I suppose the situation may be summed up as extremes at both > ends. In any event, it's not great. Any sufficiently complicated technology is indistinguishable from magic! (apologies for mangling Clarke's Third Law)